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    That hasn't come out this year though. : 3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yvonne View Post
    Lure of the Temptress (This game was my hook)
    Alex Kidd: Miracle World
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    This is a -killer- list; I haven't played them all as I'm old.

    Boldfaced the ones I've played and loved.

    Also loved Morrowind and Runescape on PC.

    It goes without saying that GTA - Vice City is the best game ever made, correct?

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    Correct.

    Please also add Divinity 2 to the list of top RPG's. I made a lizard called Raymond the Bastard and I love him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storm Veritas View Post
    It goes without saying that GTA - Vice City is the best game ever made, correct?
    Whoa! Whoa, whoa, whoa... That is one heck of a callout, mister. If you're trying to stir up discussion my bonnet off to you, good sir.

    I can concede that GTA Vice City is a contender for one of the best games ever made. It might be in the top ten but on what grounds is it the best game ever? You're gonna have to back up that lofty statement with some facts, some proof.

    Besides, what's the criteria for the best game ever made? Gameplay like none other? Most well written story with player influence on how the plot progresses and resolves? Player choice and freedom? Most memorable characters or a character creator so robust you can be anyone you want to be? Groundbreaking mechanics or graphics, mind-boggling puzzles or skill-dependent platforming? The perfect balance of frustration and challenge that bestows a feeling of euphoria once the game is overcome? Soundtrack? Voice acting? How influential they were on their target audience or other games made afterward? Replayability or how fond your memory of it is years down the road?

    Hmm... so difficult to choose one best game of all time. I'll have to think long and hard about it.

    In my opinion Rockstar's best work to date would be Red Dead Redemption, but I still wouldn't call it the best game of all time.
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    So I’m cutting that branch off the cherry tree.
    Singing this will be my victory.
    Then I, I see them coming after me.
    And they’re following me across the sea.
    And now they’re stinging my friends and my family.
    And I, I don’t know why this is happening.
    ~ Thrice, Black Honey.

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    Games I will not stop loving:

    Ori and the Blind Forest
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yvonne View Post

    I can concede that GTA Vice City is a contender for one of the best games ever made. It might be in the top ten but on what grounds is it the best game ever? You're gonna have to back up that lofty statement with some facts, some proof.
    Let's consider this one. GTA:VC came out for the PS2 and Xbox, with "good" to "great" graphics within its generation. We need to put graphics in perspective, since time is a flat circle and the only thing that continually improves is resolution.

    My case for GTA:VC:
    • Open World Exploration, mixed beautifully with loads of side quests, a driving central story, and boundless collectibles. GTA:VC wasn't the first to do this, but at its time was far and away the best.
    • Humor - With Ray Liotta as the main voice, tons of talented voice actors, and fantastic writing, this game is objectively hilarious.
    • Music - The 80's music on the various tracks gives you HOURS and HOURS of fun, just driving around. If you can't run from the cops in a Ferrari after stealing drugs with "Rush, Rush, Get The Yayo", or enjoy screwing and murdering hookers to "Billie Jean", honestly just get the fuck out of my face.
    • Vehicles - easy driving controls, with unique handling for over 100 different cars. Dirt bikes that can almost fly. Motorcycles that send you 200 MPH. Dozens of monstrous hidden jumps. Countless tricks to be performed.
    • Weapons - Rocket Launchers, Sniper Rifles, Chainsaws, Flamethrowers, and Uzi's with a special "drive-by" feature. Outrageously awesome.
    • Secrets - More of them than you can imagine. Collectible (PORN!) film reels, secret jumps, secret mini games, rampages, car collection mini games, and so much more. The secrets feel ENDLESS here.
    • Best of Its Time - There were some other games of the generation which were essentially copycats. Some of these (Scarface, The Godfather) were quite good, but don't come CLOSE to competing. The only game I can think of that similarly separated itself would be FF7, a far more flawed game.


    These are only a few, but we're already at "enough". THE. BEST. EVER.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storm Veritas View Post
    Let's consider this one. GTA:VC came out for the PS2 and Xbox, with "good" to "great" graphics within its generation. We need to put graphics in perspective, since time is a flat circle and the only thing that continually improves is resolution.

    My case for GTA:VC:
    • Open World Exploration, mixed beautifully with loads of side quests, a driving central story, and boundless collectibles. GTA:VC wasn't the first to do this, but at its time was far and away the best.
    • Humor - With Ray Liotta as the main voice, tons of talented voice actors, and fantastic writing, this game is objectively hilarious.
    • Music - The 80's music on the various tracks gives you HOURS and HOURS of fun, just driving around. If you can't run from the cops in a Ferrari after stealing drugs with "Rush, Rush, Get The Yayo", or enjoy screwing and murdering hookers to "Billie Jean", honestly just get the fuck out of my face.
    • Vehicles - easy driving controls, with unique handling for over 100 different cars. Dirt bikes that can almost fly. Motorcycles that send you 200 MPH. Dozens of monstrous hidden jumps. Countless tricks to be performed.
    • Weapons - Rocket Launchers, Sniper Rifles, Chainsaws, Flamethrowers, and Uzi's with a special "drive-by" feature. Outrageously awesome.
    • Secrets - More of them than you can imagine. Collectible (PORN!) film reels, secret jumps, secret mini games, rampages, car collection mini games, and so much more. The secrets feel ENDLESS here.
    • Best of Its Time - There were some other games of the generation which were essentially copycats. Some of these (Scarface, The Godfather) were quite good, but don't come CLOSE to competing. The only game I can think of that similarly separated itself would be FF7, a far more flawed game.


    These are only a few, but we're already at "enough". THE. BEST. EVER.
    You missed off replayability.

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    Rockstar's business approach was pure genius, no doubt about it.

    They looked upon the gaming offerings available at the time and saw damsels in distress that needed saving (Super Mario 64, The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time) and realized there should be more to the gaming industry than pleasing kids and geeks. While there was much that they learned from their predecessors especially with regard to how a three-dimensional world should even function - having to break away from top-down 2D side-scrolling (GTA 1 & 2) - they understood they could bring something completely different to the table that appealed to a mainstream, "cooler" audience of males.

    They were - and still are I think - a company that creates games during a time of equalizing women's rights, the blending of societal gender roles both in the workplace and in the home and depression among men coming to the fore more than ever before. Back then it was obvious that the majority of gamers were male and many of those men felt emasculated by progressing times (automation, white collar work), college debt and falling wages, lack of role models or transitional rituals into manhood and manliness becoming associated with oppression.

    Men no longer felt as fundamental or as necessary as they had always been. They weren't the pillar, the rock that all of society was built around. That left a void inside them that they needed to fill. There was a need to feel in control again, feel importance, like they could do anything that they wanted. Like nobody could tell them no.

    Rockstar made a killing (17.5 million units of GTA: Vice City sold worldwide by early 2008) preying upon feelings of inadequacy and the insecurities of men. They gave them exactly what they asked for, a playground when men were kings. Poured on as much testosterone fuel as they could, over a hundred different vehicles, more than enough weapons to murder anyone you want, collectible porn and completely fuckable, killable prostitutes as you say.

    Genius, really. I wish I was smart enough at the time to exploit the male population in such a way. GTA V sold 12 million units in its first day to the tune of $800 million in sales, over 90 million units sold recorded to date. Sounds like retirement to me. It's hard to argue, the numbers are all there - it's exactly what the paying customer wants. Although Rockstar hasn't reached the towering heights of Mojang (Minecraft, 144 million units sold) or Elektronorgtechnica (Tetris, 177 million units sold).

    Vice City is a great game, for all the reasons you describe - more so the open world exploration and secret finding in my opinion - and I'd personally rate it a 9 out of 10. It's that good, but in a way it misses the mark when it comes to Best Game Ever Made. Playing it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I think you should feel proud to play the Best Game Ever Made with anybody, even your grandma. I know I'd have an unusual amount of trouble sharing anything GTA with my grandma.

    That said I've nothing against ladies of the night in games. The Witcher I, II & III were some of the best gaming I've ever had and those games were filled with sex. It might have been Geralt's amnesia, or maybe my interpretation of him, but Geralt had a certain respect for women in a medieval world that treated women like shit. He was submissive to women, and they would often use him for sexual pleasures or otherwise. He'd often defend women's rights or encourage women to do what they want. He rebelled against injustices, didn't create them.

    Maybe you're right though. I just don't enjoy murdering hookers.
    So I’m cutting that branch off the cherry tree.
    Singing this will be my victory.
    Then I, I see them coming after me.
    And they’re following me across the sea.
    And now they’re stinging my friends and my family.
    And I, I don’t know why this is happening.
    ~ Thrice, Black Honey.

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    Forgot how much I loved this thread! xD Gonna kick it back up. Just wondering of any recommendations for RPGs for the newer generation Xbox I may not of heard of and not-so-popular. I've become so bored of it I actually pulled down my old Xbox 360 for nostalgia factor from the closet and started playing through the games I have for it. Playing through Mercenaries 2 for it now.
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