The Dark Knight

[Ashiakin]

The Dark Knight just beat Spiderman's single-day box office record (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7515431.stm). I'm sure I'm not the only one on Althanas who has seen it, so I was wondering how everyone felt about it: Whose performances did you like, not like? How do you think it stacked up to some of the more recent comic book films like Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk, etc.? What did you think about the film in general?

My personal opinion is that it was fucking amazing, but more on that later.

This thread contains spoilers, although all so far have some form of warning. Peruse at your own risk.

[Amaril Torrun]

The Dark Knight just beat Spiderman's single-day box office record (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7515431.stm)
My personal opinion is that it was fucking amazing, but more on that later.

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The Joker ends all competition for villian.


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SPOILER coming up below!!!!!!




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I would have preferred to see Two-Face live for the next movie, since I don't see anyone doing what Heath Ledger did with el Joker.

[Ashiakin]

Spoiler.















I would have preferred to see Two-Face live for the next movie, since I don't see anyone doing what Heath Ledger did with el Joker.

I thought that was what they were going to do when they introduced Dent, but once they started going so far with him I figured not. Normally I'm not a fan of cramming tons of villains into comic movies, but I liked how using The Joker and Two-Face allowed them to have the Sadistic Force of Nature and the Evil That is the Sum of the Injustices Done to Him alongside each other. Also, I'd seen a review that hated on Aaron Eckhart, but I thought he did the character justice.

[Serilliant]

Seeing it in an IMAX theatre in Amsterdam that serves beer and cocktails in a few days. I just might be way cooler than you.

[Saxon]

Excellent.

The Joker is my favorite villain of all time, and there are very few actors out there who really understand how to play him. Heath Ledger did an excellent job. He got right into the Joker's head and understood him to the letter. You don't get that kind of performance often, and that includes everybody who starred in the movie.

5 Stars, Two-Thumbs Up, Standing Ovation.

Here's to Batman 3. Good job to Heath and to everybody else who worked on the movie.

[Visla Eraclaire]

Spoilers abound in this thread already, I will have no mercy, beware.



A lot of people have been saying that Two Face is now dead. I personally don't see that as necessarily true. He fell off the same thing that Batman fell off of, and Batman had been shot and he was still strong enough to RUN away. I think Harvey could have made it. The fact that they had a funeral for him proves nothing, considering they were planning a coverup anyhow. He could easily be in Arkam.

Of course, that's just my bias. I really enjoy Two Face as a villain. He makes an excellent lawful evil counterpart to the Joker's chaotic evil. The whole movie is an excellent moral discussion without being heavyhanded or losing any bit of the action, excitement, or suspense. I enjoyed every last second of it and eagerly await a third installment. My only regret is that they will not use the Joker again because of Heath Ledger's death, which is understandable, but unfortunate. I feel someone out there would be willing to study and attempt to emulate his performance, and even if it is only half as good, it would still be oustanding and worthy of inclusion in a future installment.

I almost went out to see this movie on opening night at midnight even though I had work the next morning, but I became delerious with fever from an upper respiratory infection that I still have and it stopped me. I did go out last night however, in spite of my fever, and see it.

[Ashiakin]

Spoilers.

I would be shocked if Two-Face is still alive. I mean, they completed his story arc during the course of the movie. It's wrapped up very neatly now, and great as he is it seems like it wouldn't be right to keep his story going any further.

Christopher Nolan hasn't committed to doing a third film yet, but people are saying he might. I just wonder how they could possibly top what they did in The Dark Knight. Christian Bale wants to do another one if Nolan does and Nolan is adamantly opposed to using Robin, so it seems like they would at least have the potential to make another good film. Personally, I'd be okay if they stopped here. If there's a third act, I'd want them to take their time with it and make sure it was even better than this one.

[Breaker]

I agree with what's been said so far. Great film, in every aspect. Definitely Heath Ledger's best performance that I've seen. I really had trouble telling it was him, and damn did he ever capture the part.

Honestly, I think I liked the first one better, but probably for personal reasons rather than overall magnificence. Cillian Murphy is one of my favourite actors, it explained the origins of batman (which I, not being a comic reading type, didn't know) and it has to do with ninjas, which is just... ninjas. I love movies that put subtle emphasis on the martial arts used, and 'batman begins' did that so well.

At any rate, I hope they do a third. For a villain, I would either want to see the riddler or else a villain who hasn't been used in a batman movie already.

Perhaps my favourite moment was Bruce Wayne after saving that lawyer in the PO van from being smashed by the truck.

"I was trying to make the light..."
"You weren't protecting the van?"
"Why? Who was in it?"

See this movie.

[Cash]

Great, great movie. Really makes me want to see Batman Begins (I never did, not a big movie buff). Joker is THE Batman villain, the ultimate bad dude as far as Batman and all related material goes and Heath Ledger pulled off the character so well. I also agree with Visla. I love Two Face and thought the dynamic between him and Joker was outstanding. Hopefully if they make a third it will turn out he wasn't really dead.

[Saxon]

At any rate, I hope they do a third. For a villain, I would either want to see the riddler or else a villain who hasn't been used in a batman movie already.

*rolls dice* Com'n, Clayface!

[Empyrean]

FUCKING amazing.


I was blown away by this film. Honestly, since the theaters have been chock full of superhero movies in the past few years, I wasn't expecting much but the hyper brought on by Heath Ledger as the Joker. I cringed when I first heard who was playing him.

I'm glad to say I was mistaken. Every minute of the movie I was on the edge of my seat - it had the perfect balance of drama, humor, action, and a fortunately well-portrayed, not-cliche romance. I love the role that morality played in it as well - the use of the blow-up-your-neighboring-boat tactic was fantastic.

Heath Ledger was the surprise factor here - he was AWESOME. No words can describe how great his performance was. In my theatre he actually got cheers at a few parts for being so effective. I couldn't even HEAR Heath under that makeup - his voice and manner and just everything about him was attuned to the character. He was frightening and creepy and just the right level of unhinged - I love the idea of a character with no backstory, because a lack of history offers no reason for madness. It just made him that much more awesome. He really deserves that posthumous Oscar, no doubt about it.

Two-Face was wonderfully convicing here - the special effects used on the ruined part of his face were scary as hell. I LOVED it.
Also I'm pretty glad they cast Maggie Gyllenhal as Rachel this time. I wish she'd been in the first film instead of Katie Holmes, who did nothing but annoy me for a good part of Batman begins. Rachel's death as a catalyst for some of the events in the film was a good choice, I think.

Two thumbs WAY up.

[Sighter Tnailog]

I loved the movie and how none of you know how to use the spoiler tag.

[Smuggler's Run]

The movie was simply amazing.

I had some problems with Batman Begins, and it disappointed me, since I really enjoy Christopher Nolan as a director.

I just think there were too many bold and ballsy design moves. The Scarecrow and Ra's al Ghul as the main villains? That was just absolutely incomprehensible. A rather flimsy character in the first place, alongside an obscure, (yet probably the second greatest) nemesis? The changes to the Batmobile, the move to make Christian Bale play Batman... introducing a new character like Rachel ...

However, after seeing the Dark Knight, I've come to a new respect for Batman Begins.

I, however, think that the way this particular adaptation is going, it leaves too little room for much more of the mythos. It's very dark, very gritty, and you can't really incorporate characters like Robin. However, that may be a good thing.

One thing is, is that there's the cartoon version of the Joker, which was an amazing portrayal, and the way he's portrayed by Heath Ledger, and to a now forgettable extent, Jack Nicholson.

I love the Joker in The Dark Knight, but I also love Bruce Timm's incarnation of him. I grew up on the 90's cartoons, and the character of Harley Quinn was a great addition on his part. I kind of wish they could incorporate her into a live-action adaptation, but alas, it's simply impossible with Nolan's universe.

And for more serious discussion:


Two-Face needs to stay dead. Clayface is too CGI-based for the gritty tone of live action. The Riddler wouldn't work, because he's too cartoony.

I had a discussion with my cousin, and he's adamantly opposed to having a new actor brought in to play the Joker. However, I think Willem Dafoe would do Heath Ledger justice, but it'd have to have a few years spaced between, to allow for the Joker to "age," a bit. He just thinks that would be an atrocity, especially considering Heath Ledger's performance was sheerly brilliant. There is no other way to describe it. Some actors are BORN to play a specific role - that one masterpiece that is everyone's destiny. That was a magnum opus of a performance.

They should have Selina Kyle, the Catwoman, in the next movie. It'd be an interesting way to work around Rachel's obstruction as a character, and to really portray a further duality to the billionaire playboy Bruce Wayne, by having him interact with the debutante of Selina Kyle, and Batman with Catwoman.

And as a secondary villain, Mr. Freeze would be amazing. His story, I think, is one of the greatest origin stories and character arcs that any supervillain could ever have. Sheerly brilliant.

[Sighter Tnailog]

Smuggler's Run, I agree with you on some things, but when it comes to the Riddler I think there's an equal argument to be made that many thought the Joker might be too cartoony to fit into Nolan's conception. I'd actually like to see the Riddler turned into a villain by Nolan, in part because I think he'd do a good job of showcasing the brainiac side that seems to obsess Nolan's work in the franchise, and sort of take the almost puzzlelike nature of some of this movie to a whole new level.

[Saxon]

Clayface is too CGI-based for the gritty tone of live action.


You're right, but I'd still like to see him in a batman movie. There needs to be other batman villains included in this other than the usual suspects. Theres like 30-50 years of batman mythology to sift through to find somebody interesting, especially in this.

They need to pick someone new and go in a different direction with them because Heath Ledger as the Joker was a complete wild card by anyone's standards and you cannot promise that kind of preformance every time from every character, although a lot of them really did wonderful work.

Still though, if they can attempt to, I'd like them to try and humanize Clayface for it. It'd be hard, but I have faith in the writers that they could actually pull it off.

[Lighthawk76]

I loved the movie, no need to heap on praise that's already been said. Though there are ideas on other things below.

I'm not sure who else reads comics right now, but the Riddler is actually much less gimmicky than he once was. For a while he was played as a support character that others went to when they needed to think outside the box, but he has recently come out as a private detective in Gotham. He's about as smart as Bats, but his greed blinds him to some of the dangers of his job. It's really quite fascinating to see a character who is out to beat bats at his own game, but is forced more often than not to work with bats.

Nolan's doing very good about taking the "gimmicks" of Batman's rogues, and turning them into something magical. Joker is a force of absolute chaos and Two-face is a force of utterly objective fairness, and both of those ideas incorporate seamlessly the idea of a clown villain and a two-sided villain. This same idea can be used for the gimmick of the riddler. Does he leave riddles, or solve them? What is the power, the curse, or even the burden of solving every question? Oh, I so want to see the Riddler.

IGN actually put up some ideas for future bat villains. Most were crap, but there were a few good ideas. The Riddler outlined above is similar to their idea.

Regarding two-face, we didn't see a coffin. The last image implied a funeral, but one can stretch it to being a "farewell" event, since Harvey will now have to be put into Arkham. Doing this completely cheapens Bats' sacrifice at the end, taking on the sins which marred the White Knight. So I kind of want him to stay dead. If he doesn't he's coming back as a petty criminal, which is just a horrible way to handle Dent with how things have been set up.

Harley Quinn could easily be used as a psychiatrist who is entranced with the Joker's ideology. Dark Knight didn't really explore it, but the Joker is a magnet for crazies. The cop which Harvey catches, talking a guy into having a bomb sewed into him, getting those henchmen. Harley would be an amazing way to explore this idea, but she would be much, much darker. The S&M nature that may come out of it makes me leery of such an idea.

Catwoman would be a great idea. It would be a great way to explore the duality, something which hasn't been explored "correctly" I feel.

And Robin can be done. It'll take one hell of a writer, a costume over-haul, and a kid as-talented-as-all-get-out. Dark Knight's existence proves we have some great writers, the fans (me included) can shut their traps if they want to see Robin, and while rare, their are talented kids out there. And if we're worrying about aging, just remember we'll need a Nightwing.

Hmm, or here's an idea that will scare some folk, skip Robin. Have Bats recruit a Nightwing.

[Visla Eraclaire]

Robin should not be done. And if you think Clayface is too CGI, how do you think Mr. Freeze is a good idea?

The next major villain will be The Penguin. I have almost no doubt. Harley Quinn would make a good 2nd fiddle.

[Tainted Bushido]

Bane. If they were to do the story line Frank Miller wrote, where Bane broke Batman and ruled a Gotham in absolute terror, would make an excellent movie. It already has a few supporting roles, and while it did rely on robin amongst others, the absence of robin could be replaced by Lucius Fox, as the voice of reason trying to get Batman to not strain himself too much.

[Visla Eraclaire]

Bane is just a beast. Someone has to be pulling his strings or it's just not interesting enough morally and psychologically.

[Inkfinger]

I loved how Heath managed to portray the Joker. His body language and his tics creeped me out, and I loved his explanation about chasing cars. Though the bit with the pencil? I sat in a theater of people who all seemed torn between laughing and wincing in sympathy pain. It was just so brutal that you didn't really know which to do.

And I am not very into the Batman universe (yet), so I don't know villains real names and whatnot, so I went into the movie expecting only The Joker. I didn't know Two Face was going to be in it, and had no clue that Harvey Dent was going to turn into anyone. As the movie went on, though, that coin kept coming up, and when the reveal came that it had two faces I thought it was just to emphasize the fact that Dent was never really going to shoot the guy. Then, of course, when he's in the hospital (aside: Joker in a dress = great big Do Not Want D:) and its revealed that his face is mangled, I just sat there feeling very very silly for not making that connection.

I don't think I've ever seen a better written comic book based movie.

[Empyrean]

As long as Harley Quinn is in the next movie, I'll enjoy it. I always wanted them to put her into live action - even when she's not the Joker's protege/punching bag, she's awesome to watch.

I think I'm still a little too scarred by the weirdness of Batman Forever and Batman and Robin; they were entertaining in that out-there, cartoonishly exaggerated sort of way, but I cringed a little too much to fully enjoy most of them. I don't know how they could pull off The Penguin without going down that same path even just a bit.

The Riddler could work, though - Mr. Freeze, maybe. As long as he's not outfitted in the chrome-ified mess that he was in Batman and Robin.

I was kind of disappointed with how R'as al Ghul was portrayed in Batman Begins - for one thing, the guy's supposed to be Arabian with a bunch of immortality pools, and Talia al Ghul was a big part of Batman's storyline. Of course, these movies are going about most things in a very different way, so the change in understandable. Seeing Talia as a new foe/foil to Batman would be interesting considering what's happened now, though.

Con-fucking-firm, Inkfinger. The pencil bit had my theater part-cheering, part-laughing, ALL-cringing.

[Nightstalker]

Although I have not yet seen The Dark Knight, and won't until it comes to home video, From reading your spoilers, it does seem like an interesting movie.

To throw in my two cents while the subject is still fresh and valid, and not three months later when we're all about the next big thing and The Dark Knight is just a rerun memory, I hope they use The Riddler again in the next movie. I always enjoy watching a mad genius at work, and riddler was always one of my favorites. If joker and Riddler could work together somehow someway, awesomness.

However, another villain comes to mind that I have yet to see on the big screen. One that could easily be adapted for live action.
The Mad Hatter. I think he could rock the big screen as easily as the others have. Infact, a sort of Riddler/Mad Hatter combo would make for some interesting exploits.

[Ashiakin]

Wikipedia tells me that Christopher Nolan doesn't want to use The Penguin because he is afraid that he couldn't make the character fit in with the realism he's put into the series. The Riddler would be my choice for the next villain. Wikipedia also says he's the likely pick, but I don't know where they got that info from.

[Visla Eraclaire]

Wikipedia is my source for useless disinformation.

I think the Riddler would be a mere annoyance at best. Also, less interesting since the new Batman incarnation isn't particularly intelligent as compared to previous iterations.

I don't think the Penguin would be hard to do, really. He isn't really cartoonishly ridiculous. He's a short fat guy who considers himself to be a gentleman criminal. What's crazy about that? Less crazy than Mr. Freeze I think, all things considered.

[Saxon]

Picking a villain that hasn't been on screen before would probably keep things fresh. But its also a gamble. They don't know how people would react to villains they've never seen before so they'd be in the dark .. yaddi yaddi yah .. picking somebody new would keep it interesting. And after Heath Ledger's Joker, they have breathing room to take it in any direction they want.

I honestly am kinda tired of seeing Poison Ivy, Mr. Freeze, the Riddler, and the Penguin on screen. They've been done and none of them are as complex and as psychologically interesting as the Joker and Two-Face were. I'm just saying, they have an entire Rogue Gallery to choose from.

Pick something dangerous and run with it, after all, they did earn their entire budget and then some with Dark Knight in one weekend.

[Maia]

Bane is just a beast. Someone has to be pulling his strings or it's just not interesting enough morally and psychologically.

Actually Bane was supposed to have done everything by himself. Planned it out, found out who the Bat is, so on and so forth. He's just been Flanderized into a hulking Brute instead of the smart, cold, calculating bastard he has been. He was a very dangerous, scary and incredibly awesome villain.

That said, I would personally love to see Catwoman in the next film. She always been one of my favorite "villains" simply because she can flip from Bat's side to the other.

Actually, having a combination of Harely Quinn, Catwoman and Bane might be rather fun, though that's just me. I want Bane to be brought back to his rightful place as "The Man who broke the Bat."

Also, the movie rocked.

[Tainted Bushido]

Actually Bane was supposed to have done everything by himself. Planned it out, found out who the Bat is, so on and so forth. He's just been Flanderized into a hulking Brute instead of the smart, cold, calculating bastard he has been. He was a very dangerous, scary and incredibly awesome villain.

That said, I would personally love to see Catwoman in the next film. She always been one of my favorite "villains" simply because she can flip from Bat's side to the other.

Actually, having a combination of Harely Quinn, Catwoman and Bane might be rather fun, though that's just me. I want Bane to be brought back to his rightful place as "The Man who broke the Bat."

Also, the movie rocked.

^ Colin knows the score.

There was a series of comics written by frank miller where Bane broke batman mentally, then stepped in and snapped his spine. He merely let all the crazies in Arkham loose, then watched as Batman tried to round them up Solo. As batman wore himself out he began to mentally strain himself pushing on through illness and more, till bane decided Batman was ready and broke him in half.

Thats the Bane I want a movie about.

[A Nony Mouse]

Zsasz or Firefly as villains. Danny Devito as Penguin. The Riddler or Scarface.

All good ideas.

Honestly, I think that this writer is amazing and will pull of something no one thinks should be able to work. I look forward to a Batman 3.

[Smuggler's Run]

Like I said, I'd love to see Harley Quinn, but you just can't do her without the Joker, and I don't see them replacing Ledger... As much as I think that there are actors who could do him and the role justice, it just won't happen.

[Visla Eraclaire]

^ Colin knows the score.

There was a series of comics written by frank miller where Bane broke batman mentally, then stepped in and snapped his spine. He merely let all the crazies in Arkham loose, then watched as Batman tried to round them up Solo. As batman wore himself out he began to mentally strain himself pushing on through illness and more, till bane decided Batman was ready and broke him in half.

Thats the Bane I want a movie about.

I'm aware of this. He broke batman, but his powers are derived from a drug addiction. I'm aware he's successful and supposedly intelligent, but that doesn't make him not just a beast. Despite wikipedia declaring him "complex", I find him insufficiently interesting to fit with the current deeply interesting philosophical underpinnings of the new batman series. If you include him, it just becomes pulp garbage to appease fans.

[The Missing Link]

Batman was pretty much amazing.
Very well set up, though I didn't like how two bad guys went out with a bang at once. Though it was obvious that the Joker wasn't supposed to die off this movie, but with Heath's untimely and unfortunate demise - it happened like that.

I think they should bring back the Penguin.
Mr. Freeze was pretty much frakked over by Arnold. The newb...
Ivy is lame, personally. Bane was B.A. - but eh...

Nice thing is though, at the END of Iron Man they had a:

SPOILER to a DIFFERENT MOVIE? Lol.

... sneak preview of a meeting between Tony Stark (Iron Man) and the General, which means that the Justice League is possibly going to be made in the near future. <3
So that'll put Bale into a new role there too. <3

Supposedly, Sean Bean is going to be Thor also. <3

[The Missing Link]

Oh, oh, oh!

Not to mention there's a new Punisher coming out.
And...and...and...
Captain America too!
O-M-G!

<3

[Smuggler's Run]

By talking about Iron Man, I assume you actually meant The Avengers. The Justice League the DC supergroup. Iron Man is Marvel.

And I'm excited for the Cap'n America movie.

But I can't think of anyone who'd be able to pull of Cap in all his badassery.

I'm hopefully going to see the movie again, today.

[The Bloody Son]

Haven't heard any rumors over an Avengers movie and I know that Batman is DC, but there is speculation and talk of The Justice League.

Hopefully, they cast a worth while Superman. -_-!

EDIT:

Well, according to IMDB - there are rumors of the Avengers also, but it's being done my Marvel Enterprises.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0848228/




Is this movie a tie-in to the "Avengers Initiative" alluded to in Iron Man?
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Yes, it is believed so. This movie will be based on the Marvel superhero team 'The Avengers'. The final scene after the credits of Iron Man involved Nick Fury recruiting Tony Stark/Iron Man to become a member of The Avengers. Cameos such as this and Robert Downey Jr.'s in The Incredible Hulk are Marvel's way of creating a single movie universe allowing for crossovers such as The Avengers movie.

There won't be an Ant Man or Wasp movie, they both will be introduced in the Avengers.

EDIT: Actually, there is an Ant-Man movie in the works, with Edgar Wright directing.

[Inkfinger]

One word for you:

Watchmen.

That's about it for my comic-movies-horizon right now.

:D

[Maia]

I'm aware of this. He broke batman, but his powers are derived from a drug addiction. I'm aware he's successful and supposedly intelligent, but that doesn't make him not just a beast. Despite wikipedia declaring him "complex", I find him insufficiently interesting to fit with the current deeply interesting philosophical underpinnings of the new batman series. If you include him, it just becomes pulp garbage to appease fans.

Not really. Most of his brains came from himself. He just got strength from the drug. The thing he, he really has been watered done so very much from what he once was, that there's almost two different version. Awesome Bane, and Mook Bane. He's considerably more complex with the right writer and actor then most of Vat's villains. I mean the Joker is far from complex, and that's his whole schtick. He just wants mayhem, and is willing to do it with no morals. But we got the right combination to have one of the best villains in years.

Of course, this is just slowly/quickly going into mere fanboy arguing. So I'm going to step out. Batman was interesting etc etc.

On that note, Zack Snyder is the only man I would trust to make a Watchmen movie. 300 was visually awesome, and was almost exactly the same as the graphic novel, right down to the panels. Only thing that was tacked on was the little senate/wife thing I believe. 300 might not have been deep, but it was incredibly faithful, keeping that in touch with Watchmen and we might have one amazing movie.

[The Bloody Son]

One word for you:

Watchmen.

That's about it for my comic-movies-horizon right now.

:D

<3

[LordLeopold]

OMG SPOILERS GUYS

Haha, can I buck the trend by saying that despite the fact I liked The Dark Knight a lot, I thought it had an unnecessarily bloated and complicated script. Several times I sort of had to think to myself "alright... why are they doing this right now?" Also, some stuff didn't make any sense at all. Why exactly did Bruce Wayne want to protect the guy who is willing to expose his identity so much, to the point where he risked his own life? Just to prevent the Joker from getting some sick laughs? Maybe this was in the movie but I don't remember it being explained. Also, how the hell did the Joker get all those explosives into the hospital? I can suspend my disbelief for the ferries he rigged up, but did nobody in the hospital notice the thousands of pounds of explosives being placed throughout the building?

Also, some of the subplots didn't even make sense. Why did Gordon fake his own death? He said it was to protect his family, but it seems like a cheap, manipulative plot twist that doesn't make any sense, since enough people in the police force must've known it was a trick for word to get out to the Joker through the corrupted cops who were working for the mob - besides, the Joker didn't target the first commissioner's family, anyway. And why was Gordon so intimately involved in the transport of Harvey Dent to prison? Is he really that good of a driver? Anyway, the whole "Batman reveal yourself!" subplot seemed like it was just a way for them to include an action sequence, especially considering the Joker's later change of heart (which made more sense from a thematic standpoint, anyway).

Also I was really let down by Rachel Dawes's death. Outside of Harvey Dent, the only sign of remorse we saw for her was Batman standing on a pile of rubble for like two seconds. Other than that, Bruce Wayne was making jokes with Alfred about driving the Batpod like twelve hours after the love of his life died.

My feeling was that all the twists and turns that the Joker took us through made the plot too complicated and forced the film to be a little more rushed than it had to be in its first hour. Also the thing where Harvey Dent beat up the guy trying to kill him in the courtroom was funny but a little too campy.

Other than that, I thought the movie was genius in its moral ambiguity, presentation of Batman, special effects, Heath Ledger's performance, the references to other films and the (perhaps unintentional) commentary on modern American politics and society.

ALSO: I hope the Watchmen movie is good but they fucked up the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen so bad, and V for Vendetta was so mediocre that I don't have much hope for another Alan Moore venture. Frank Miller seems to get all the lucky breaks, instead. Also it's a March release, which is sort of a bad sign - no good movies are released between January and May.

[Mithra Reborn]

I think they're gonna bring back Aaron Eckhart to play two-face in the next movie. No, i don't think he's dead. but with all the love Heath Ledger got, i feel like Aaron Eckhart's amazing performance was sort of underloved. Same with Christian Bale, who did an amazing job as both of them. Hat's off to both of them!

Heath Ledger still did really well. like, really well. like, he better fucking get an oscar well.

[Elijah_Morendale]

"Bane. If they were to do the story line Frank Miller wrote, where Bane broke Batman and ruled a Gotham in absolute terror, would make an excellent movie."


They adapted that into a radio drama, actually.

Yeah, the movie was amazing. Heath was an amazing Joker. It's not even worth mentioning those.

I wouldn't mind seeing Bane and Harley Quinn being the next two villains myself.

[Veatrix]

It was amazing.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/90/HeathJoker.png

[The Bloody Son]

Villains that I'd like to see:

Doctor Death - Just an evil bastard. Mix Kefka and The Joker. D;
Bane
Catwoman - NOT Haley Berry. </EPICFAILSAUCE>
Clayface
Deadshot
Harley Quinn
The Mad Hatter
Man-Bat
Mr. Freeze
The Penguin
Riddler
The Black Widow

Just to name a few bosses that they could throw out there for another movie.

Personally, Bane, Clayface, Penguin, and a solid-played Riddler (not that Jim Carrey shit) would be preferable and totally amazing.

[The Bloody Son]

Ra's al Ghul didn't die in Batman Begins, did he?

[Tainted Bushido]

Ra's al Ghul didn't die in Batman Begins, did he?

Well he did kinda blow up in a subway car, so yeah, I think he's dead.

[Artifex Felicis]

I just realized what might be the most ultimate downer ending, and that would be Bane doing what he is famous for.

It wipes everything, returning it to the status quo. Joker's work is basically worthless, Batman's work was worthless, everything starts turning in on itself.

It would be both beautiful, and probably would induce mass depression.

Especially since bane would only need about 20 minutes of screentime to do it well.

A breakout or something to help break Bats, and then the last bit to fully push him over the edge.

[Caden Law]

Bane. Bane, or possibly a Riddler played by David Tennant of Doctor Who fame (assuming he can get that grim and dark). Vin Diesel would make for a decent Bane, but I'd rather see someone else.

Also: Catwoman as a built-up sideplot over the course of two movies.

Also, also: You're dead to me until you see The Dark Knight. D:

[Inkfinger]

Bane. Bane, or possibly a Riddler played by David Tennant of Doctor Who fame (assuming he can get that grim and dark). Vin Diesel would make for a decent Bane, but I'd rather see someone else.

Also: Catwoman as a built-up sideplot over the course of two movies.

Also, also: You're dead to me until you see The Dark Knight. D:

David Tennant + Riddler + Dark&Grim = me being a dead squirrel, sir. You don't want that, do you? D:

[The Bloody Son]

I would expect a better actor than the fool that plays Doctor Who. Pfft. And al Ghul WAS A NINJA - he could have escaped! D:

Whoever was the nerd that suspected Vin Diesel as any form of actor should be shot. Srsly. He's not an actor.

Lou Ferigno would be a better Bane than Vin Diesel. Lolol!

[Saxon]

I already had to endure David Tennant as the Doctor, don't try to play him out as the Riddler too. And for God's sake, there is no way that skinny little english man could fill Bane's shoes.

They've already proven in Spiderman 3 that no matter how much we don't want to admit it, physique matters.

I have to agree with Inkfinger, seeing David Tennant try to be dark would make me a sad panda.

[The Bloody Son]

I already had to endure David Tennant as the Doctor, don't try to play him out as the Riddler too. And for God's sake, there is no way that skinny little english man could fill Bane's shoes.

They've already proven in Spiderman 3 that no matter how much we don't want to admit it, physique matters.

I have to agree with Inkfinger, seeing David Tennant try to be dark would make me a sad panda.

Do you mean how small the guy that played Venom was? ;( Pathetic!

[Inkfinger]

I have to agree with Inkfinger, seeing David Tennant try to be dark would make me a sad panda.

Um, before you agree with me: I would be dead for purely shallow, positive (at least as seen by me) reasons, not because it made me sad. :B

[Caden Law]

David Tennant + Riddler + Dark&Grim = me being a dead squirrel, sir. You don't want that, do you? D:
...'swhy I'm learning necromancy, Squirrel Girl. D:

But really, Tennant probably would make for a good Riddler. Headbutt him into a more 'realistic' costume like what both Scarecrow and Joker went through and it could work. Either way, Riddler would have to be an English actor. He'd just have to be.

[Christoph]

I very much enjoyed the movie. I probably made some other people in the theater uncomfortable by laughing at inappropriate moments, such as when the Joker blew up the hospital. I was rooting for him to follow up with an orphanage or a nursing home, and was left disappointed.

[Saxon]

Yeah, I had the same problem. But it's more along the lines of me being a lifetime joker fan and having a very sick sense of humor. :rolleyes:

[Tainted Bushido]

The audience opening night was awesome. Everyone clapped after the mob meeting, laughed at him hitting the button in front of the hospital, and it just kept going, best part was, it was almost as if the movie knew that it was going to happen, nothing important was being said during the noise ;)

[Rayse Valentino]

People who clap during a movie fucking suck.

[A Nony Mouse]

People who clap during a movie fucking suck.

agreed. stfu and let me watch the movie i signed away my firstborn to see.

[Empyrean]

Batman was pretty much amazing.
Very well set up, though I didn't like how two bad guys went out with a bang at once. Though it was obvious that the Joker wasn't supposed to die off this movie, but with Heath's untimely and unfortunate demise - it happened like that.

I'm not entirely sure Two-Face is dead, though...he fell from the same height as Batman did, and Batman had a bullet in the stomach to boot. Add in the fact that he had virtually no time to properly develop the (pardon the pun) other side of his character. Even if they don't bring him back in the next movie, I don't think he died.

Of course Batman had the protective armored suit, so that gives him bonus points for survival. I'm really not sure.



And I forget who said it, but I would rather Vin Diesel NOT be in the next movie. I can't see him really pulling off any of the possible roles convincingly.

[Visla Eraclaire]

Empyrean has just stated in the spoiler tag exactly what I had argued and continue to believe. There is no reason to believe he is dead.

[Storm Veritas]

This was the best superhero movie of all time.

And I hope they have the discipline to stop, and not milk the cash cow on retread characters or a spiral into silly gigs.