The zombie outbreak thread!

[Grammar_police]

Saw this on a different website, and it was fun so i thought id post it here.

Imagine there is a zombie outbreak tomorrow in your country, real Dawn of the Dead stuff happening and everything's tumbled into chaos with your generic flesh-eating undead gnawing away at your neighbor on his front porch, etc. Now, let's say you're at your home and there is an army truck outside that for the sake of the scenario holds any and every weapon currently in existence (so nothing sci-fi but everything from a cricket bat to an RPG).

Which weapons would you pick and what would you do?

[I Am Zee]

id make my fantasy of cuttin bitches down with a katana a reality

[Requiem of Insanity]

Everybody knows the best tool to have is a crow bar- why? Cause it's blunt to kill the zombies and can open doors and other handy stuff.

[Karuka]

Mmm...I agree with Req's crowbar, but I'd also take some grenades and a flame thrower.

[Godhand]

Tsar Bomba.

[Letho]

I'd take the truck and run over the motherfuckers.

[Ashiakin]

I would follow the advice of Max Brooks (http://www.amazon.com/Zombie-Survival-Guide-Complete-Protection/dp/1400049628) and take an M1 Carbine and a machete. Dude knows what he's talking about.

[Arsène]

That's a good book.

However, I'd prefer an M1 Abrams tank.

[Sunset Theatre Co.]

That book is in my queue of stuff to read as we speak.

World War Z was freakin' amazing. I have the audiobook version--Mark Hamill as Todd Wainio was for the win material.


Speaking of WWZ; I would pack a lobo. Guns are soooo impersonal when it comes to killing zombies--you gotta' have some fun with it.

[AdventWings]

Imagine there is a zombie outbreak tomorrow in your country...

Funny of you to say that. It's almost exactly what's happening over at my country. [/serious]

For the sake of having a fun conversation, I'll go with a lead pipe. Nothing beats the solid heft of a two-kilo stick that hits harder than Babe Ruth's Home-run swing.

On a serious note, I think I can trust only my good ol' bokken I salvaged from a University dumpster some six years ago.

[Grammar_police]

I'm gonna have to agree with Zee on this one. Theres no better weapon for dismembering zombies than with the katana. I'd just jump straight into the thick of it all and start hacking.

[I Am Zee]

WWZ is awesome. Actually inspired me to make this character. I've still not finished it. The book that is. Got about half way through and haven't picked it up in a while...too many distractions.

[MetalDrago]

I third the katana choice. I'd also pick up a Desert Eagle and a .45 Magnum, the only two guns I don't advocate the destruction of.

Besides that, if I could, I'd pick up a spear, and finally, an old favorite: the 2x4 with a nail in it.

[Death The Kid]

Katanas all the way, personally I would duel weild, but I just like duel weilding.

[Blaid]

I would continue the katana vote but all mine are quarter-tang, so I'd be more apt to take my ninja-to. If I had my choice about it though, nothing takes out zombies better than a good shotgun.

[Azlen]

Grenades, maybe zombie dogs, and Flame Throwers. Burn their rotten bodies to a smoldering crisp.

[I Am Zee]

Egads...think of the smell...

[Terminus Mortis]

The M249 Squad Automatic Weapon. Holds a lot of ammo, I can fire it in one hand, and packs enough punch to mow 'em down. That, an AA-12 automatic .12GA shotgun, a Sig .357 semiautomatic, M67 fragmentation grenades, and as much ammo as I could carry. Plus my bayonet, kukhri, and knives of course. Then I'd take the truck and find survivors.

[Fatina]

A nuke, duh. If its infested with zombies I'd just blow the whole damn city up.

Oh wait, that's copyrighted.

[Shisui]

An MP5, Dragunov Sniper Rifle, a Desert Eagle, Shotgun, Sword, and a shitload of ammo. Or as the awesome line goes in Gears of War 2, "More like ten shitloads!"

[AdventWings]

Firearms are overrated when you're dealing with a "shitload" of fearless machines. They just keep on coming and coming and coming...

Fragmentation grenades... They'll work in enclosed space, but I'd prefer incendiary. Better have a gas mask when you're using it with a flamethrower, though. ;)

Sharp, pointy sticks and swords FTW. Most people think the katana is the best when dealing with zombies, but you have to be mindful that the blade is very fragile. I'd rather rely on a sturdy two-hander claymore for prolonged wear and tear, simply because it can still cleave things in two even when the edges are gone.

But if you absolutely have to use firearms, 12-gauge shotgun FTW. :cool:

[The Barbarian]

I'm gonna have to agree with Zee on this one. Theres no better weapon for dismembering zombies than with the katana. I'd just jump straight into the thick of it all and start hacking.

I'd still pack some form of heat, but tis true what they say.

Swords don't need reloading. :cool:

[Christoph]

First vote in for the chainsaw, baby! RRrrRRRrrrRRRRRRRR!

[BlackAndBlueEyes]

Yeah, until you run out of gas.

I still say I'm gonna stick with a lobo.

[Torin Reahkari]

I would find a way to fashion those Strobe pipe bombs from Left4Dead, and uh..I dunno, two pistols that hold more than the usual ammount of ammo. Uh..That slide shotgun. Where it's compact, easy to store and carry.

A few knives..Crowbar.

All the stuff so far sounds good but just hacking with a katana or sword isn't going to kill zombies, you have to go for the neck / head. Same with guns, yeah it'd be nice to have like an M16 but if you're just torso lighting, it's pointless.

Also the flame thrower...good in theory, until you have a swarm of flaming zombies rushing you.

Oh, I'd also take a page out of Dead Rising's book and have a sledgehammer if I had a way to carry it. A crack with that is a real headshot.

[Sorahn]

The M249 Squad Automatic Weapon. Holds a lot of ammo, I can fire it in one hand

You sir, have got to be one of the buffest men alive.

For survival's sake, I'd have to agree with the heavily armored vehicle situation. I, too, am a fan of the M1 Abrams. Very durable, and extremely mobile for a tank (that thing can hit 70! Turbine engines FTW!)

On my person I'd probably carry some sort of tactical 12 gauge shotty. Maybe that new full-auto one with the drum clip and low recoil I saw on future weapons? Hmm... might instead get a sawed-off for mobility. Or both. :D Keep a 1911 sidearm as well as couple of blades for close quarter work.

Naturally, since both ammo and fuel are never unlimited, I'd try to find some survivors and create some sort of secure bunker.

[Terminus Mortis]

The M249 only weighs somewhere around 22 pounds, and the recoil is fairly low because it fires a .223 caliber round at a high rate of fire from an open bolt. I've seen videos of Marine and Army infantry in Iraq on the firing line with a '249 in each hand firing from the hip and hitting their targets.

And the shotgun you're talking about is the Atchisson Auto-Assault 12, or AA-12. It can feed from a ten to twelve round stick magazine or a twenty round drum.

Instead of a Model 1911, go with the Springfield XDM in .45 ACP. It performs better than the 1911, and holds 17 rounds in the magazine rather than only 7. Plus it's not much larger than the Colt M1911 and it's comfortable and easy to carry.

The problem with swords is that they tire you out after a while. You don't have to push a bullet into someone's head. I like the sledgehammer, though.

[Shisui]

Ever since seeing previews for the Xbox 360/PC game Left 4 Dead, which involves the zombie apocalypse, it resparked my interest in such matters. So I watched Dawn of the Dead, Shaun of the Dead, etc. And now, I've been having dreams about the zombie apocalypse for about a week and a half.

I don't remember the dreams exactly but one thing keeps popping up in each one. It's me, thinking to myself, 'We need more ammo.' Or something along those lines. But yeah, spooky..

[Knave]

I suppose my first hoice is a baseball bat, not one of the new alluminum ones, one of the near solid metal classics. Then a hummer, I don't care if I have to hit zombies with it I need transportation as I loot across the east coast.

[Damion Shargath]

I'd be surprised if anyone who said "Katana" could actually lift the thing, let alone swing it fast enough to dispatch of a zombie horde without feeling exhausted after a few wild rants into the air. Those things get pretty heavy pretty quick, so unless you're going for some short bladed imitation...well, anyway, have fun with that :)

I'll go with a machete, crowbar, depending on what I can carry - some grenades, two handguns of some sort - small caliber will do as the putrid flesh and porous bone of zombies wouldn't stop a skull pointed shot (and I can save weight), and a Steyr Aug Standard Length (I'm Austrian, go figure.) Add some ammunition to the equation and I'm good to go.

[Kially Gaith]

I'll say a heavy duty high wheeled dump truck. (Ya know? The ones that transport soil and rubble that look like converted Monster trucks?) A naginata (Simply because I'm trained to use them + the reach) and for ye olde blunt force trauma, I can't and won't deny the effectiveness of a baseball bat. Preferably metal because in the heat of anger and combat, I'd be very likely to over do it and snap a wooden one.

Edit: Fuck that. Snakes 'Infinite' headband and an Extrema 2 Shotgun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk2mFcsa7mw
No recoil, amazing firing speed.

Zombies? Bring 'em.

[Laureolus]

I'd have to take a riot shield, a nightstick with a spare, an army trench shovel, and one of those shotguns Kially just posted. Damn that some crazy shooting, even if it is a shotgun. :p

But we need to make a base somewhere in the mountains quick so we could last the winter. (From World War Z)

[Slayer of the Rot]

Nudity, vodka, and a chainsaw.

I am sure not to last long. Why bother protecting myself with armor? Sure, I'll run out of gas and get eaten...but at least I'll be totally fucking drunk when that happens.

[Terminus Mortis]

The Xtrema2 intrigues me. Most recoil buffers work off the principle of absorbing force while distributing it through the platform against which the stock is steadied, but he fired it without bracing it against anything. I'd assume one feature would have to be a liquid mercury recoil pad inside the stock, along with several redundant buffer springs, but I'd like to see a diagram.

Found it. A standard bolt damper, an over-bored barrel, a buffer spring in the grip, a gel recoil pad, and a hydraulic reduction system in the butt stock.

[Rebellion]

Me: My mother. End of story.
Rose: Tank. So I can run over AND shoot them at the same time. AMAZING. D:
Alex: Zweihander, cause katanas bite my ass.

[Fotiadis110]

Oil field, Food, flamethrower, shovel!

Probably water too, but where there is oil people normally make sure theres water around <_<


Simple solution, dig a trench, full it with oil, and burn till the outbreak is over!

Sit inside eating and drinking, the zombies can't see/smell/hear you by any known sence and those who do will be burnt to a krisp before they get to me.

It's a mid/long term solution :p

Ideally if i was to expect an eternal zombie plauge, then i'd need other people, and more spades to dig a bigger trench so we can grow crops....

[Miehm]

Zombie survival guide is horribly thought out in most respects. First, a crowbar, as a weapon, is absolutely horrible. A machete is decent. A .22 rimfire rifle is a bad idea because most have tiny magazines.

Keep your hand weapons on a belt. My favorite from work was a thick leather one that held two nail pouches, and would accept up to 4 hammers or similar tools, as well as numerous smaller tools in the pouches.

Rather than a crowbar, let's look at what other tools we can use. I was a carpenters apprentice for about 5 months. On the job, I thought long and hard about what I would and would not hit someone with. Here are my conclusions.

Hammer: The generic claw hammer, short neck, 12oz, curved claw. A trim hammer, almost useless except in desperation. Too light, and the claws aren't well positioned.

Drywall Hammer: Middle ground. Short or long neck, straight or curved claw, 20oz hammer. Long neck straight claw is the best weapon choice. Put one on your tool belt. It'll hit hard, and you can pry with it.

Framing hammer: The big daddy. This might be your preferred weapon, but it isn't mine. I'd still carry one. Long neck, straight claw, two pound hammer. Big, meaty, and mean.

Sledge: From 3 pounds to twenty pounds, these are all horrible choices, being way too unwieldy, and having no secondary purpose, other than breaking down things, and I have a better tool for that later.

Nail Gun: Never use a nail gun. It's attached to a compressor. The ability to punch a nail into a brain is useless if it's attached to a big heavy compressor.

Cordless Nailer: Different story here. Battery operated, lighter, and mobile, my favorites are Paslode and Craftsman, with Craftsman on top. Even a light trim nail will plow through a head if you shoot it at point blank, and that is the only way to use this. Craftsman can be bump fired, and doesn't need a gas bottle, making it my favorite for a light(ish) close range weapon. Hang it from your belt, not a hammer loop.

Maul: A great tool for splitting wood, bone, or anything else you don't like. The blunt axe wedge, and 8 or 16 pound hammerhead make it a great tool. At least one person should carry one if you have a group. If not, you can leave it behind.

Fire Axe: Decent, not the greatest. Carry one if you're in a group, and someone doesn't have a large melee weapon. Otherwise, there are better axes.

Fire Hatchet: Take one, if it has a sheathe, use that, if not, put it through a hammer loop on your belt. It's a nice hand axe, and you can DW nicely with your drywall hammer.

Masons hatchet: My favorite hand weapon, other than my knives(personal preference at this point, hatchet is definitely BETTER). Two weapons in one. One side is a small hatchet head, much like a tomahawk, the other is a hammer head. It's perfect for breaking skulls, and other stuff.

Tradesmans Hammers: From a masons hammer, to a hand sledge, to a ductmans hammer, most are pretty lousy weapons. Only the masons and ductmans hammers stand out, and then only as tertiary choices at best.

Crowbar: Why? It's too broad and flat to really kill anything with. It pries decently. Carry one if you can't find a...

Demolition Prybar: Longer, rounder, with smaller pointed tips, better at breaking, tearing, and otherwise being a weapon. Carry it as your main hand weapon. It's nearly as long as a grown mans arm, and won't ride in a hammer loop.

How about guns next? .50AE, .500S&W, .454 Casull, .44Mag. Never, ever, ever pick a gun chambered in any of these for a self defense weapon. The only choice I can argue in favor of at all is the S&W X-Frame, which is bored and tapped for scope mounts, and makes a decent, if overly large, support weapon. Never grab a .22, .17, .223, or anything smaller than .243Mag. They're too small to be useful at any sort of range you want to be fighting at. Likewise, avoid .50BMG, and other large "Sniper" calibers. Mass to bullet ratio is atrocious. Your best bets are in the .270 and .30 caliber range. If you have a Henry Lever-Gun, that's a decent, if short range choice. If you need a shotgun, pull out your pistol. The ranges are similar, and you'll be more precise. I prefer revolvers, but the low ammo count is a drawback. Springfield XD in .45ACP, or something similar is a great choice.

My advice is, if you can find it, a Remington model 7400 in .270(Mag or not), .30-06, or any semi-automatic rifle in .300(Mag or SuperMag), 7mm(Mag or SuperMag), or .308 Winchester. They're all good, long ranged, hard hitting, accurate bullets. If you choose a scope, I advise a Nikon Prostaff 3-9x40, or a similar Bushnell. If you're really rich, get a Schwarovsky Scope. Financing is available(I kid you not). 4-12x50 is ok, but it might tempt you to try shots at ranges farther than you should. Zero your scope at between 1 and 200 yards, depending on your area. If you need to shoot farther than that, get a BDC scope, and train with it.

Moving right along to transport. Truck. My advice(heavily biased) is a fullsize longbed Ram 1500 Magnum V8(not the Hemi), 4x4 Manual Transmission. Diesel Dualie if you can afford it. It's fast, big, and can go offroad. The new Ramboxes expand your carry capacity, but also make Toyota trucks, and some Fords an equal choice. A nice Brushguard(with proper modifications), or a good plow blade will serve you well when driving through infested territory. Bigger trucks eat too much gas to justify, unless you can carry ALOT of gas cans. Backup in a utility van or box truck will make this less of an issue, and let you pick a bigger vehicle. The more backup, the bigger your truck.

I mentioned knives earlier, right? Well, here's my spiel on knives.

My favorite is the trench knife. Big, meaty, and you can punch with it almost fearlessly if needed.

Next is something very different. The Duct Knife. Double bladed, straight and serrated, wicked sharp, no crossguards, and fairly long, it gets the job done.

Semi-serrated, or fantasy blades are horrible. Not worth the steel they're stamped in. A decent kukri or bowie is better than almost anything out there.

Swords. Blah blah Katana. Blah Blah zweihander. Blah blah Claymore. The best weapon I can see in this category, for this task, is actually a fictional one. The sword from the movie 300 is a great weapon design, and higher end replicas(my preference is a half inch thick hand forged steel model) are very good indeed. If you can't get it, a machete is your next best bet. Rapiers blow, two handed or bastard swords are too large, Gladius and similar weapons are a too inefficient at hacking. Get a single edged weighted chopping sword and hew limbs and heads with it. Axes are usually a no no for this, same for any type of polearm.

Don't burn zombies. Don't acid zombies. Don't impale, electrocute, grenade, or poison zombies.

If you have to use an explosive, try to stick with easily found things like Acetylene, propane, pure oxygen, and other welding and soldering gasses.

Now... I've had a lot of time to think about these things. My job lets me think about things alot. I ponder things from zombie outbreaks to armed insurrection, to resisting foreign occupation. I collect knives, swords, guns, and racks of antlers. I thought long and hard about every item I mentioned or touched on in this brief guide. Only the top, and this, is off my head. The rest is from something I typed up a while back, when considering all three of these situations.

[Fotiadis110]

2 problems with your post:

#1 a hot enough fire can turn living flesh into dust, so WHY would you avoid fire, possibly the single BEST weapon when you want to run away... particually if zombies are attracted by heat!
Fire hot enough is a powerful tool, but you are correct, you need a HOT enough fire to do damage, otherwise you're looking to slowly cooking burning zombie still walking towards you...

The flame-thrower I proposed was to keep the oil trenches lit.

#2. You have your firearm calibres wrong, a 0.303 goes straight through, you'd have to hit their brainstem or spinal cord to do any damage... against LIVING humans they are decent because they can hit blood vessels and the like and tear great holes through them, against zombies who don't care about large wounds.... hardly worth your time.

A .22 calibre however has at a quite short to quite long range a curious ability... the bullet fired into the skull will bounce having lost most of it's energy penetrating the skull, this means the bullet recoils around the brain liquefying it and more likely than not destroying the control centres leaving your zombie truly dead.

FACT: the Geneva convention increased the average firearm calibre on the basis that you were less likely to be permanently injured or crippled, military class firearms are more likely to go straight through you and come out your back than to stay inside and actually 'distribute' most of their kinetic energy. Hence forget solid head, go for shotguns, hollow head hunting ammo, and any other damage maximising equipment!

[Miehm]

2 problems with your post:

#1 a hot enough fire can turn living flesh into dust, so WHY would you avoid fire, possibly the single BEST weapon when you want to run away... particually if zombies are attracted by heat!
Fire hot enough is a powerful tool, but you are correct, you need a HOT enough fire to do damage, otherwise you're looking to slowly cooking burning zombie still walking towards you...

The flame-thrower I proposed was to keep the oil trenches lit.

#2. You have your firearm calibres wrong, a 0.303 goes straight through, you'd have to hit their brainstem or spinal cord to do any damage... against LIVING humans they are decent because they can hit blood vessels and the like and tear great holes through them, against zombies who don't care about large wounds.... hardly worth your time.

A .22 calibre however has at a quite short to quite long range a curious ability... the bullet fired into the skull will bounce having lost most of it's energy penetrating the skull, this means the bullet recoils around the brain liquefying it and more likely than not destroying the control centres leaving your zombie truly dead.

FACT: the Geneva convention increased the average firearm calibre on the basis that you were less likely to be permanently injured or crippled, military class firearms are more likely to go straight through you and come out your back than to stay inside and actually 'distribute' most of their kinetic energy. Hence forget solid head, go for shotguns, hollow head hunting ammo, and any other damage maximising equipment!

Unless you happen to have a crematorium or similar incinerator handy, in the words of Frankensteins Monster, "Fire Bad." Bunkering behind a wall of fire is only a delaying tactic.

Moving on to firearms. .303 is a lousy round anyway, with too much lead and not enough powder backing it up, much like .30-30. Military ammunition, as a whole, is crappy for killing anything(arguments in favor of 7.62 and 6.5mm bullets aside). .308, and especially 7mm and .300 magnum rounds have in their favor a large range, easy availability, and large bullet mass. I hunt with a .270, and it's still small enough that at the edge of its range, a gust of wind can put it very far off course. .22LR, .223, and even .243 are all much more prone to going off course. They also lack penetration, meaning that if the zombie is behind say...a twig, the bullet is going to fragment, and pepper your target with a large number of small(smaller than BB or BBB shotgun pellet size) fragments. I stand by the choice of a thirty caliber round, preferably one of the larger magnums, or even super magnums. Have you ever seen what a deers chest cavity looks like when you hit it with a third of an inch of lead going a couple thousand FPS? The heart is liquified, the lungs, if you hit them, disintegrate, if you hit the shoulderblade, you can almost blow the entire leg off. A human skull would suffer much the same injury, leaving the brain a runny grey mass. Fifty is too bulky, and most of the guns that fire it are overly large, which is why I say no fifty. I don't see why anyone would choose a round other than JHP, HP, or Corelokt. An expanding head round is going to do more damage anyway, and still has the capability to maim the undead.

Shotguns are still bad because of patterning. A hollowpoint slug has much the same range as a shell, and isn't nearly as precise as a handgun round. Also, ammunition capacity of most shotguns is 5 shells. Most civilian models are limited to 3, two in the tube and one chambered, unless you take out the plug. Even a revolver has better ammo capacity than a shotgun, and in a fight where precision and making every shot count is your goal, a shotgun just isn't your best choice. Hitting a deer at 20 yards on the run with a shotgun is one thing. Hitting a human head with enough pellets to do anything is quite another.

I'm going to assume, both from your choice of .303 as an example, and your spelling of caliber as calibre, that you are not American.

[Nevar Flat Notes]

Two words.



Chuck.

Norris.


Zombie invasion over, go back to your tea and crumpets everyone.

[Fotiadis110]

three words.

Chuck Norris' zombie

your going to need a bigger gun.....

I'd use Jackie Chan if Chuck was lost to the hoard!

[Terminus Mortis]

So long as we're talking transportation too I'd use a Joint Light Tactical Vehicle. It's similar to the up-armored HMMWV but it's much faster and runs on a hybrid diesel-electric engine. Mounts a Mk. 19 CROWS system on it and I'd be set. They're not breaking into a JLTV, and I can outrun them if I can't shoot them. Plus diesel runs on just about anything combustible, so I'd always be able to fill it up at some point miles away from the enemy.


Miehm makes a good point about hunting calibers. A 7mm magnum would be ideal. Off the top of my head I can't think of any semi-automatics that fire 7mm, I'll have to look around.

I would definitely say a Kriss Super-V firing .45 Glaser Safety Slugs would be your best bet for putting down a zombie, especially with a good head shot which is easy because the TDI Kriss is accurate as hell and has almost no recoil.

[Miehm]

So long as we're talking transportation too I'd use a Joint Light Tactical Vehicle. It's similar to the up-armored HMMWV but it's much faster and runs on a hybrid diesel-electric engine. Mounts a Mk. 19 CROWS system on it and I'd be set. They're not breaking into a JLTV, and I can outrun them if I can't shoot them. Plus diesel runs on just about anything combustible, so I'd always be able to fill it up at some point miles away from the enemy.


Miehm makes a good point about hunting calibers. A 7mm magnum would be ideal. Off the top of my head I can't think of any semi-automatics that fire 7mm, I'll have to look around.

I would definitely say a Kriss Super-V firing .45 Glaser Safety Slugs would be your best bet for putting down a zombie, especially with a good head shot which is easy because the TDI Kriss is accurate as hell and has almost no recoil.

I don't know of any 7mm semi's either, but I'm sure there is one. I suggested the 7400 in .270 as a close alternative. I actually kinda prefer .30-06, just for nostalgia and availability of ammo.

Kriss would be a good choice, but it's cost prohibitive. I'm also not sure it's in production. If we're gonna go Futureweapons on this, I'll take one of those nifty Metalstorm pistols and just go nuts.

[Terminus Mortis]

The Kriss is officially in production as of ShotShow 2008. Civilian models can already be purchased. They have two civilian models and two select-fire models, I believe.

I think I'd rather just go with a 7.62x39 or a 5.45x39 rather than a .30-06. It doesn't have close to the same range, but the 7.62R can be just as effective when loaded in the right weapon. For example, the Bushmaster ACR can be converted to a 7.62x39R or 5.56x45. A 7.62R model with a 16.25 in. barrel and a CQB stock, along with a Leopold 1-3x CQT scope and a vertical foregrip/ SureFire LED attachment would be ideal for me.

Cost isn't really the issue since you're about to experience a zombie outbreak. After something like that everything will be traded for alcohol, tobacco, firearms, medicine, and ammunition anyway. Printed currency will be effectively useless.

[Arsène]

...alcohol, tobacco, firearms, medicine, and ammunition anyway. Printed currency will be effectively useless.

Because, you know, at this time we will have grown beyond the need for food.

[Fotiadis110]

Diesel engine + petrol = explodey
So be careful how volatile the fuel you put into your vehicle is.

Vege oil does work but doesn't come in large enough bottles.

given a choice? solar is the way to go, but there are no domestically available solar cars anyway.

Given a few suspension coils, 2,000 solar cells and an electric motor+controller I COULD build a viable electric car (batteries are useful but so is payload...), but i don't pretend to carry those around in case of a zombie outbreak, although those woodgas trailers they used to have could be an interesting option for limitless (nearly) fuel.

Moral of the story in zombie times:
If you have what someone else wants, they will take it.

[Miehm]

Diesel engine + petrol = explodey
So be careful how volatile the fuel you put into your vehicle is.

Vege oil does work but doesn't come in large enough bottles.

given a choice? solar is the way to go, but there are no domestically available solar cars anyway.

Given a few suspension coils, 2,000 solar cells and an electric motor+controller I COULD build a viable electric car (batteries are useful but so is payload...), but i don't pretend to carry those around in case of a zombie outbreak, although those woodgas trailers they used to have could be an interesting option for limitless (nearly) fuel.

Moral of the story in zombie times:
If you have what someone else wants, they will take it.

If you have the opportunity, I'd say get a military diesel. If memory serves, you can run those on about anything flammable, from gasoline to jet fuel, moonshine to muskadine.