Fallout fans, rejoice... again

[Letho]

Best news I heard in a long time. (http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/58229)

After Fallout 3 that evoked mixed feeling amidst the Fallout fans (I myself am still on the fence whether this game is awesome or sucks or is just sort of in between), apparently Bethesda will let others play with the license they have for the Fallout franchise. And apparently, they're lending it to Obsidian Entertainment. I think this is great news. Some of the people from the good old Black Isle are apparently in Obsidian which can only be a good thing. On top of that, Obsidian doesn't fucks around. They make good games, in my opinion (KotOR 2, Neverwinter Nights 2), and they're definitely the kind that would take the job seriously.

So, what do you people think? Let's have the usual two replies from people who know what I'm talking about before this thread dies down. :P

[Yari Rafanas]

I loved Fallout 3. However, it was my first Fallout experience. I know Ithy used to praise these games and after getting a taste of the franchise from this I will be following the next fallout closely.

[Libis]

I loved Fallout 3. However, it was my first Fallout experience...after getting a taste of the franchise from this I will be following the next fallout closely.

This.

Black Isle were awesome so it will be good to have them working on Fallout. To be honest though, I prefered Bethesda's Elder Scrolls (particularly Morrowind).

/fanboyism

[Saxon]

Hopefully Obsidian will do the franchise some justice. I'm slowly coming around to playing FO3, but I think a friend said it best in that it was so different from the originals you probably shouldn't consider it the same game. I'd be willing to compromise and call it a spin-off. ;)

[Bandage]

I still play Fallout 3 to this day. And I don't even have the new download content. I'm excited to see anything come from this setting, regardless of who makes it. I'm sure Bethesda wouldn't have a hand in making a crappy Fallout game. It'll be just as great as FO3 was/is.

[Mage Hunter]

I say this every time someone asks me my thoughts on Fallout 3.

On a scale of one to ten, with 1 being not Fallout at all, and 10 being a true fallout, it rates about an 8-9. It is JUST shy of the full Fallout experience, and maybe thats because of the recent laws in video games. It doesn't have the true blue open ended game play that Black Isle Studios gave you. Like in Fallout 2 getting married then heading to New Reno to pimp your spouse.

So if the Black Isle team is getting another go at their baby, I'm all for it. The one thing I think was seriously missing in three was the puns and the references to today's culture. Don't know what I'm talking about? In Fallout 2, hit the map button and look at the lower right corner.

If you don't know the significance of TK-427, perhaps you should google it. And that is just ONE example of what Black Isle studios did in 2.

[Letho]

I think that my biggest gripe with Fallout 3 was the monotony that seemed to kick in every once in a while, mostly due to the sidequest being rather uninteresting. I mean, in the first two Fallouts most of the sidequests were unique and you could solve them in a number of different ways. In 3, most of the sidequests I solved with a faithful Lincoln Repeater, because most of them have you go through a shitload of enemies almost as if you're playing a shooter. Now, I'm not saying all of them, but 3 is way more action oriented than the other two. So while the world around me looked great, it also lacked the depth it had in the previous games. A large, open world is great and all, but only if you have something interesting to do in it. I mean, I've beaten the game only once and I didn't visit half of the location on the map because I got plain bored.

That's why I have high hopes for this potential game from Obsidian. When you look at their current work and the work some of them did while in Black Isle (not just Fallout, but other RPGs as well), this new game could get even closer to the real Fallout feeling that we all know and love.

This.

Black Isle were awesome so it will be good to have them working on Fallout. To be honest though, I prefered Bethesda's Elder Scrolls (particularly Morrowind).

/fanboyismI'm a huge Morrowind fan myself. Well, used to be, at least. I think I spent over a hundred hours of my life on that game. But I don't think I could play it again. Oblivion I didn't like that much. The whole enemies-levelup-as-you-do just made it annoying and I think that, despite the awesome graphics, it lacked the variety that Morrowind had.

[Reiko Valour]

I just want it out of Bethesdas hands so a future Fallout will work. The previous games had their issues, but most got fixed and none of them had glitches as wide, varying and game-crunching as Fallout 3. Bethesda needs a new damn set of testers.

[Libis]

Yeah, I've never played Oblivion because I heard it was so much worse than Morrowind. The graphics are better but great gameplay beats awesome graphics any day of the week. (And you can get mods to upgrade Morrowind graphics anyway :D)

EDIT: Ninja'd. By three minutes?!?!

[Yari Rafanas]

I played the shit out of the PS3 version of Fallout 3 and never once had a glitch bug me. I am straining to even think of a time it broke on me.

[Mage Hunter]

The 360 version had a few problems. In one case a friend of mine couldn't get into his house in megaton. Occasionally it would freeze up, most of these were problems that seemed to be hardware related as I don't think I've EVER heard of a PS3 version failing, or a computer one for that fact.

[Saxon]

The previous games had their issues, but most got fixed and none of them had glitches as wide, varying and game-crunching as Fallout 3.


Okay this is one of the few times I'm going to bash the originals, but have you even played Fallout 2? That game had a LOT of glitches and bugs to it, so I'm kind of shocked that you'd even say that. Namely how the game doesn't even work unless you jerry-rig it by reinstalling the game and hanging onto the save files from time to time? How the majority of the programming in the game almost feels like most of it's information is corrupted?

I dunno, maybe the game didn't translate well with technology over time with the disks I bought, but it was the only one of the originals between Fallout 1 and Tactics that I almost stopped playing because the bugs were too frustrating to deal with. But, fortunately, I braved through it and got to see it through to the end which, I guess in a way was well worth it.

[Reiko Valour]

Fallout 1 is pretty much stable in its patched form. Fallout Tactics is the same.

Fallout 2, the problem is mainly NCR and some event sequencing, NCR was left mostly unfinished and as such it can cause a lot of glitches. But its a far fucking cry from Fallout 3 where simply firing the Railway rifle can cause the game to freeze completely, or hell The Pitt, in its original release Bethesda rushed it so fucking badly for the 360 that it was literally unplayable. Compare a glitch list for Fallout 2 and then look at Fallout 3s in comparison, it has far more and substantial glitches than all four of the previous titles so don't give me that shit that Fallout 2 was horrendously unstable, was able to install it on XP a year ago and it still worked fine and dandy.

[Saxon]

I can and I will, junior. But, I think you missed this from my other post;


I dunno, maybe the game didn't translate well with technology over time with the disks I bought, but it was the only one of the originals between Fallout 1 and Tactics that I almost stopped playing because the bugs were too frustrating to deal with.

It might have just been the disk I bought when I played it, and the only reason I did finish it the first time around was the jerry-rigging thing which Letho suggested I try. Maybe your right, I haven't played Fallout 3 so I don't know how 'horrendous' it is.

But, who knows maybe when I try it out on a console or the PC it'll work fine and dandy for me too.

[Bandage]

Uh I have yet to experience any glitches (aside from getting stuck on one occasion) for Fallout 3 and I've played through it 3, maybe 4 times. I have it for the 360.

[Visla Eraclaire]

Seems interesting. Fallout 3 I enjoyed when I was playing it, but I got completely distracted by something that came out shortly after it. I can't recall what it was, but since then the fallout cd box has served my faithfully as a balance so I can put my keyboard partly on my desk and partly on the desk's pullout leaf without it wobbling.

[Letho]

I put some 40 or so hours into the game (PC version) and I don't really remember any bugs or serious crashes. I mean, there were probably some, but if I don't really remember them, then they probably didn't happen very often. And on top of that I tend to abuse the quicksave button in just about any game that has it, so I seldom lost any progress. And this comes from someone who doesn't even own a legal copy, but some patched up Russian version. Maybe it was the issue with the system on which the game was running.

Fallout 2... Ahaha, those were the days. I still remember the good old disappearing trunk of the Highwayman. Now you see it, now you don't and load. :P But in all truth, even with all the bugs, it's still one of the best games ever made. I replayed that game probably half a dozen times, same with the original Fallout. But I honestly can't say that I'll be returning to 3 any time soon. Maybe to play the DLC stuff. Gotta try that Gauss Rifle.

[Viola Conda]

I liked 1, loved 2 (after the patch updates fixing the glitches) and as far as three goes.


I'll be honest. I didn't like it. It feels NOTHING like a fallout game to me. It's a fun game, and if they were to call it Mad Max or Post Apocalypse game #1 it would have been an amazing game on its own. But to give it the title Fallout 3?

I dunno, maybe i'm just too stubborn to appreciate the things, but Fallout to me means so much more than just an aesthetically pleasing looking background, a good main plot, and killing people, but in the old games it was more about the freedom to do what you wanted.

In three, no matter what kinds of characters people come up with, the game always feels the same. I always see the same shit over and over, and not much different in terms of problem solving.

Back when I played 2, I had a high steal rating and a high sneak rating. Now I never needed money so I could take what I wanted. But I was shit in combat. So i made a gunslinger and was able to solve problems with my gun. After that I made a high speech and charisma character, and had to talk my way out of fights I knew would end up killing me.

Each way offered a different challenge to me, but in Fallout 3, wheter your good or bad doesn't matter, so long as you hit the trigger button. Everything is solved with run in and kill shit.

Again, as a game on its own, it's a really nifty title. But with the fallout brand, it seemed to lack way to much to make it really hit home and enjoyable.

EDIT: As far as the new studio running with the title, I'm all for it if the members of Black Isle can get there grubby little mittens on it.

[Saxon]

I'll be honest. I didn't like it. It feels NOTHING like a fallout game to me. It's a fun game, and if they were to call it Mad Max or Post Apocalypse game #1 it would have been an amazing game on its own. But to give it the title Fallout 3?

Please have my ebabies, Kupo.


I still remember the good old disappearing trunk of the Highwayman. Now you see it, now you don't and load. :P

Don't quite remember that, but I wouldn't be surprised. I loved the storyline of the game and how it played out, but those glitches would've ruined it for me if I hadn't finished.

Anyway, for Fallout IV I demand they move the storyline along with some West coast vs. East Coast Brotherhood of Steel wars! God, that may have been an open-ended Ron Perlman quote from the end of Tactics, but it'd be so cool to see how it'd pan out between the two factions.

[Cyrus the virus]

I'll be honest. I didn't like it. It feels NOTHING like a fallout game to me. It's a fun game, and if they were to call it Mad Max or Post Apocalypse game #1 it would have been an amazing game on its own. But to give it the title Fallout 3?

This paragraph perfectly explains why I dislike gamer fandom and shit like it.

[Lavinian Ambition]

This paragraph perfectly explains why I dislike gamer fandom and shit like it.

Care to explain that one Matty? It is a valid expression, when they radically change the format of a game, of course people aren't going to like it. Atop this the game lacks much of the humor that defines Fallout. It also lacks a bit of the freedoms you had in Fallout 1 and 2.

[Bandage]

this paragraph perfectly explains why i dislike gamer fandom and shit like it.

qft

[Viola Conda]

QFT? never heard of that expression. As for your comment Cyrus...

Meh. Like I said, I may be too head strong, but that's my opinion.

[Letho]

Don't quite remember that, but I wouldn't be surprised. I loved the storyline of the game and how it played out, but those glitches would've ruined it for me if I hadn't finished.I happened to me (several times) when I would enter a town (Gecko, for example, or Vault City) while driving the Highwayman, and then leave the town on foot. When I would return, the trunk would be gone, but the rest of the car would be there. And then, if you leave the town on foot again and enter another, sometimes the trunk would be standing there, where the car usually stands, without the rest of the car. But really all you had to do to fix it was watch where you leave your car. I think that getting around these glitches was the equivalent of the mini-games in today's games. ;)

Anyway, for Fallout IV I demand they move the storyline along with some West coast vs. East Coast Brotherhood of Steel wars! God, that may have been an open-ended Ron Perlman quote from the end of Tactics, but it'd be so cool to see how it'd pan out between the two factions.Here's something funny. Back when Fallout 2 was still a rather new game and Fallout 3 was only something we dreamed about, I said, while talking to some of my friends, that they should totally move the setting to the East Coast in 3. And some ten years later, they did. Maybe they could go to like Europe in 4.

[Max Dirks]

I liked Fallout 3 for it's unique blend of "shooter" and "RPG." Unlike most of you, I haven't played the original games so I don't have anything to compare to. That said, I've been on a shooter kick lately and probably wouldn't have fully appreciated the humor and pop culture references (and the side scrolling!) of the first games anyway. If the Black Isle guys use the same/similar platform as Fallout 3, then I'm excited for the licensing. If they change/revert to the style you guys are describing, then I'm not.

[Cyrus the virus]

Care to explain that one Matty? It is a valid expression, when they radically change the format of a game, of course people aren't going to like it. Atop this the game lacks much of the humor that defines Fallout. It also lacks a bit of the freedoms you had in Fallout 1 and 2.

First off, forget you've ever played any Fallout game (you are too attached to the series, currently). Then, read the paragraph.

I'll reword it for you:

"Fallout 3 is an amazing game. But because it's called Fallout 3, I don't like it."

Like, come on. That's no reasonable way to think.

[Bandage]

QFT means quote for truth. meaning i agree with what cyrus said. and still do. it reminds me of that mentality people have when a band they like gets famous.

" damn i just heard them on the radio. that sucks. i used to love that band. "

how bout, wow i always enjoyed their music and now theyre getting actual recognition for it. cool!

[Viola Conda]

After taking Cyrus' advice I now realized that is indeed what I was saying, and not clearly making my point as to why, so let me rephrase what I meant:

I'm not saying I dislike it because the title is fallout 3. All I am saying is that as far as fallout goes, it wasn't anything like it. In anyway shape or form as far as I am concerned. It feels like they ripped off the title Fallout and placed it on their game to make money. That's my opinion.

I did play the game, despite the fact i was weary to it at fist, and it was sorta fun, but it didn't have that fallout feel to it, which is why I disliked the game.

Further more, it gets really boring after awhile. So in conclusion, I got bored after awhile, realized the game was the same no matter how I played it, and it didn't even have the quirky Fallout humor to at least entertain me. This is why I disliked 3.


QFT means quote for truth. meaning i agree with what cyrus said. and still do.

And thank you bandage, now I know, and knowing is half the battle.

[Bandage]

G.I. Jooooooooooooee!

But let's get serious for a sec. Bethesda didn't rip off the title to make money. I don't remember exactly what I watched on a video doc, but it was either A. Bethesda asked if they could make the game and the people in charge of the Fallout franchise said absolutely, or B. The people in charge of the Fallout franchise asked Bethesda if they wanted to make the next installment and Bethesda, obviously, said yes.

Don't slander Bethesda because they tried something new and didn't cater to your fanboy needs.

[Saxon]

Don't slander Bethesda because they tried something new and didn't cater to your fanboy needs.

Funny, from what I remember people who played the original Fallout series liked it for a reason, and surprisingly very few of those reasons, if any, made it into the final product of Fallout 3. What BS did to Fallout in their spin-off is essentially what would happen if another company with no experience in the genre bought the rights to God of War III and made it a third person turn-based strategy game. It'd be terrible.

What I find really amusing is that the people preaching that Fallout 3 was good and to get over it haven't even had the true fallout experience. Most of what I've been hearing from people who've played the game and the original series are parroting the same things. Lack of the twisted humor, not much in the way of freedom of choice in a lawless/amoral environment, repetative, lack of depth, and missing much of the touch the Fallout games were famous for.

It sounds more like BS might have tried to make a Fallout game, but since they aren't really known for third person/turn-based games with that kind of caliber they fell short of what they were aiming for. Or, they were trying to make a quick buck by dragging a legend through the mud. You pick.

It's a little pompous to ask people who've played the originals to get down and kiss BS's ass for buying the license to a game and genre they have no experience in and falling short in their attempt to recreate it in their own image. You wouldn't try to re-write great works of literature from folks like Mark Twain or Shakespeare in your own words and have it published, why should Bethesda Software be given credit for trying to do the same with Fallout?

[Letho]

I think there's a possibility we're looking at the whole thing from a wrong perspective. Bethesda never really promised to bring back the original Fallout experience. They've set out to make their own game in that particular universe because they loved the games (as they said in the interviews) and they happened to acquire the license after Black Isle fell apart. But, instead of trying to recreate the original Fallout games and their setting, they decided to do what they do best. So they moved the game into first perspective, changed the way it's played to resemble more the gameplay of their previous games, and delivered a good game. But imagine how much worse would it be if Bethesda, instead of doing what they know, tried to do something different and try to recreate the originals?

If you set aside the dislike towards the differences between Fallout 3 and the previous game, Fallout 3 still beats 95% percent games out there when it comes to quality. Hell, if you play it as just a shooter, it's still more fun then most of the FPS junk you can find in stores. But as somebody already mentioned in this thread, perhaps it shouldn't have been called Fallout 3. It's definitely a Fallout game - much more so then the horrible Brotherhood of Steel for the consoles - but not a sequel.

[Viola Conda]

Ugh, i feel like my point is being graciously offered to a god of misunderstanding. Banadge, I'm not trying to slander them for trying something new. Have ever, in any of my posts stated "Don't play fallout 3, it's shitty and nothing like the original!" My answer of course, is No, I have not.

I'm not pissed at the makers of the game, My opinion, wholly based on what Saxon was saying, was the game "TO ME" was seemingly repetitive no matter how you played it. And the lack of freedom I enjoyed in the old games, which is only Natural for me to expect from the franchise, was also a bit disheartening.

Letho is right. This is by no means a terrible shitty game. It's marvelous, does offer innovation, and captures the heart of many for a good game. But for me, I was expecting a bit more. And that wasn't met, so naturally I didn't like the game as much. I am not saying in anyway not to play this game because it didn't cater to my fanboy needs.


Thank you


Oh and one good thing I will say no matter what, Fallout three is a far cry better than brotherhood of steel console games....FAR CRY better...

[Godhand]

It sounds more like BS might have tried to make a Fallout game, but since they aren't really known for third person/turn-based games with that kind of caliber they fell short of what they were aiming for. Or, they were trying to make a quick buck by dragging a legend through the mud. You pick.

ITT: Black Isle can do no wrong.

Protip: they went out of business for a reason.

[Letho]

They went out of business because Interplay fell apart, not because they screwed up or they games didn't sell. It's not a developer's fault if the publisher doesn't know what's it doing. So Black Isle really can do no wrong. Well, could do no wrong. :P

[Godhand]

Black Isle was Trokia Lite: half the content of a Troika game, but just as buggy.

Fuck 'em.

[Viola Conda]

And there you have it...Fuck em. Classy, to the point words.

Meh. Like I said, it'll be nice if the original designers can put some influence in with BS's guys to make fallout 4 truly the best of both worlds.

[Arsène]

Let us all remain civil.

I know videogames are serious business, but I think we can all agree we're excited about a new chapter to Fallout.

[Letho]

Black Isle was Trokia Lite: half the content of a Troika game, but just as buggy.

Fuck 'em.Actually, it's the other way around. Troika was Black Isle Lite: half the original staff (or less), half the amount of games Black Isle made, the quality of their games questionable, and twice as many glitches in them. Anyone who has ever played Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines probably knows what I'm talking about. There's a reason why fans still make unofficial patches for that game, even after so many years. Arcanum was very good, though, probably the closest they got to their old fame. Temple of Elemental Evil was also pretty good, though Baldur's Gate still beats it when it comes to the story, and Icewind Dale still beats it when it comes to the gameplay.

But hey, what do I know? It's one man's opinion and we all know what opinions are like.