Hunter Green

[Hunter Green]

Name: Hunter Green
Age: 18
Race: human
Hair Color: brown
Eye Color: brown
Height: 5'8"
Weight: 145lbs

Appearance: Hunter prefers to wear simple pants and shirts in browns and greens. He wears simple brown shoes, a black belt, and a green hat with a feather in it. He keeps his hair cut short and sports a very thin, well-trimmed goatee that runs out along his jaw and up into his sideburns. He takes very good care of his personal appearance and his clothes.

History: Hunter grew up in Radasanth and has run away from home with only the clothes on his back, his father's old army sword (which he stole from over the fireplace) and a bit of money he'd saved. His 18th birthday was a couple of days ago. This was a rather stupid decision, but he figures that he can learn as he goes and that the sword is impressive enough to allow him to bluff his way out of sticky situations. He refuses to talk about his reasons for leaving home and is on the lookout for adventure of one kind or another. He doesn't seem to realize that knowing how to use his sword will be highly beneficial to that end.

Skills: He doesn't really have any skills to speak of. He knows that the point of the sword is for stabbing and that's about it as far the sword goes. He's also never really paid attention to much of anything else, only remembering things in school long enough to pass tests, so while he can be taught something, it'll be very difficult for him to learn (mostly because of his own laziness)

Equipment: his clothes and his steel sword

[Logan]

Okay, so I'm looking at this profile, and it's a good start. I would, however, like to see a bit more history, or maybe some more thought into the character himself.

Most of the time, when we see character's such as this one with little history and little thought out in terms of their personality and such, we tend to find that the character becomes dull for the player and they abandon it.

If you want some personal help with the character, I'm more than happy to offer myself to help. Just let me know.

But as your character is at this moment, I cannot approve him in good conscience. I know you've surely got more planned for him then what you have here, but I need to see more of it.

Like I said, if you wanna discuss some ideas, I'm more than willing to. Just let me know.

[Hunter Green]

History: He was bitten as a small child, and was thrown out of his house by his parents. He has wandered ever since, hunting for food, and running with different packs until the present day.

He has an extremely short history as well. Why do I have to elaborate on mine?


(shortcut (http://www.althanas.com/world/showthread.php?t=19339) to FAQ for your convenience)

*Occupation:

*Personality:

*Note that these fields are optional, and you may be approved without them.


Occupation and Personality are optional, meaning I don't have to include them. I want his personality to show through in RP, rather than to have it stated beforehand and have to adhere to that all the time.



Most of the time, when we see character's such as this one with little history and little thought out in terms of their personality and such, we tend to find that the character becomes dull for the player and they abandon it.

Key words there being "most of the time". He's level 0. This means that unless he had lessons as a child, which he did not, he's very green. In order to change him as you appear to want me to, I'd have revamp everything I have in mind, just to make his profile a little "fuller".

It meets the requirements, does it not?

[Logan]

Just because someone else gets approved with less history doesn't mean they have less history. He also had significantly more elsewhere, which in it's own way provided some sense of the history he has.

Your character, in it's current state is not approved. Period.

Now, you can work with me, instead of dissecting my reasons, or you can find a way to sneak through the system.

I repeat. He is not approved as-is.

[Hunter Green]

Length doesn't matter, but if you provide length just for the sake of providing length, it can be a pain for us to read through.

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A character's history is not one of the criteria for whether or not a character gets approved or not

You have yet to convince me that I need to elaborate on his history. If I do, it will only be pointless, very boring details of his childhood, and would be added purely for the sake of length. According to the FAQ, having to read such useless information would be a waste of your time. It would also waste my time, since details of his extremely average childhood are not important to the approvals process.

The approvals process is for making sure that no one is going around at level 0 with skills and abilities equal to a level 10. Correct? How and why he left Radasanth has nothing to do with his skills (or in this case, the lack thereof).

You also have yet to tell me exactly what you want in order for you to approve this character.

You want history? The FAQ says “length doesn’t matter” and that “history is not one of the criteria.” The same goes for personality and occupation.

I want him to be super weak and I don’t want everyone to be able to know everything about him before RPing with him.

So please, tell me clearly, what requirement(s) am I not meeting? Thanks.

Also, please don't try to tell me that I'll get bored with this character if I don't have enough history/skills/etc. I've used this character before as is, and have yet to get bored with him.

[Logan]

Let me ask you a simple question.

Who is approving your profile? Me or the FAQ?

If I say it's not approved as-is, it's not approved as-is. It doesn't matter what Tom, Dick, or Harry get approved with. Each profile is handled on an individual case by case basis. I don't care if he was approved before as-is, times and things have changed.

You keep spouting that according to this, that, and the other he's ok. But he's not. Not for me.

And since your approval hinges on me approving him, he's not approved. Plain. Simple. Easy.


You are no doubt a good writer, and I would expect more thought than what you have put forth. Until you show ME that this character has more thought into him, he's not approved.

How many different ways can I reiterate he's not approved? Hmm. I could try one more.

Not Approved. If you like, I can close this profile and you can try again.

[Hunter Green]

once again, you have neglected to tell me exactly what you want from me.

I see you telling everyone else exactly what you want to see, but for me all you're saying is that you want "more thought". Yet, you won't tell me what you're looking for. How am I supposed to know what you're looking for precisely if you won't tell me?

[Logan]

Now we're finally getting somewhere, Mr. Hunter.

First, I'd like to see a teeny bit more history. Even if the details are mundane, it gives a sense of who or what the character is. Secondly, I know he's going to have more skill than holding a sword. If he has the skill, and it isn't listed, it isn't allowed. If that's how you want him, then okay, I can live with that.

Finally, while you may not want to post personality, you could just say, "His personality varies depending on whom he is interacting with." And that would suffice.

Now, I don't think that is highly outrageous to request.

And I'm not saying just because you edit those things I'm going to approve him, but it is getting closer to that point.

[Hunter Green]

Three times. Three times I’ve had to ask what is wrong or needful. Anyway…

I’ve edited his history as much as I’m willing. He made a really stupid choice to leave home with only 200 gold coins and a sword he doesn’t know how to use, but that’s part of how he’s intended to be played: To have to learn the hard way what a stupid decision he made. I also edited his age, so that he’s just left home, instead of the original 21, which would have meant that he’d been on his own for 3 years and would have had time to develop some skill with his sword. I still don’t understand exactly WHY I need to put more history and (this is going to sound obnoxious and stubborn) I am not going to add more unless I’m given a good a reason to do so. And because you said so is not a good enough reason. I need a little bit more than “Because I’m the mod and I said so.”


If that's how you want him, then okay, I can live with that.

Then please stop telling me I need to list more skills, because every time you do, you’re telling me he’s too weak to be permitted. He does not have any special skills. I understand that if a skill isn’t listed I can’t randomly pull it out of my rear and use it. I did it this way on purpose. Again, he’s a kid that made a really stupid decision and must now live with the consequences of that decision.

His personality doesn’t necessarily change based on company. This is a major one that I really don’t understand why you’re insisting on, since it’s optional. I can understand wanting more history, but personality is supposedly an optional thing.

In and of itself, your request isn’t outrageous. What is outrageous is that I have to add in things that I don’t wish to be common knowledge, or in the case of personality, to be bound to, in order to be closer to approval. What is outrageous is that apparently, I can’t have a virtual nobody with no skills, and nothing interesting about him, to be able to play on this site.

I appreciate you being so patient with me with this, but I’m still don’t understand why, other than because you say so, I need to have all this extra.

You said that editing those things wouldn’t necessarily mean I was approved. So what will get this approved? I’d like to do all my edits in one go if I can manage it.

Thanks again for your patience in all this. ☺

[Max Dirks]

I've been asked to step in and complete your approval. Before I do, I'd like to clarify a few things:
The approvals process is for making sure that no one is going around at level 0 with skills and abilities equal to a level 10. Correct? How and why he left Radasanth has nothing to do with his skills (or in this case, the lack thereof).Here, you've only stated one purpose of the RoG. The other purposes are to avoid plagiarism and to help new members prepare their characters for incorporation into Althanas. With respect to plagiarism, a bare bones character such as this could easily be a clone of Cloud Strife, who similarly left home with just a sword on his back. While "history" and "personality" are not central to the approval process, they do ensure the moderators that your character concept is unique, which is required by the FAQ. With respect to development, our moderators are unaware if new members are veteran writers, returning members or anything of the sort. Generally, we assume everyone is a new writer during the process. You might have an idea for the development of your character (or you may not) but we like to try to help as best we can. If you don't want help, that's your prerogative. We just ask you to let us know.
Then please stop telling me I need to list more skills, because every time you do, you’re telling me he’s too weak to be permitted. You're right, he doesn't need any skills. The standard on Althanas is "an average character of like race, education and experience." Logan was just warning you that skills not specifically enumerated in your profile (including knowledge), cannot be used in the game until they are properly developed and approved.

Seeing as though your character is unique, you do not require help with the development of your character and are satisfied with standard abilities, your character is hereby approved.

[Hunter Green]

thank you. :)