So....ALL guns are kaput?

[Silence Sei]

Just wondering after reading a few profiles, there are no guns whatsoever? Not even like, old school western pistols?

Basically, I was planning on making Oreo Jones and Andy Rorton make a few cameos with Sei, but since one of thems a gun-slinging old west cowboy, and the others just....a dick with a cowboy's gun, I needed to know.

Really? EVERY GUN?!

[Saxon]

Really? EVERY GUN?!




Welcome, and enjoy your stay at the world of Althanas!


Yes, yes. Every gun. Until level 4 (You're level 6), which really few people ever makes it that far if they start off fresh and intend on having a gun, so its a bottleneck with a steel stop-gap in it. (You're level 6)

You can always try and slip through the red tape of the RoG with a broken gun or something that is affecting it that makes it useless to use (You're level 6), that seems to be pretty popular with mods (You're fucking level 6). Price for trying to be modern in a fantasy setting (Level 6!). Have to be what a minute group of people in this site's history have arbitrarily determined as fair and all that. (Séis!)

[Zook Murnig]

Sei, how long have you been writing on this site? I know you've been around longer than me, since you had all but disappeared when I arrived the first time. I only ask since I happen to know that there are quite a few characters with guns. However, those characters earned their guns through threads of exceptional quality.

The new profiles that you're probably referring to have their guns broken because new characters aren't allowed guns. Period. It is a hard and fast rule of the Realm of Greeting.

However, Alerar has advanced enough technology to have flintlock pistols and the like, and I've seen (and been in) threads where they have put out more advanced weaponry, like mounted turret guns.

EDIT: Saxon, that level 4 thing is not accurate. I have a character who, at level 0, has a flintlock that he earned in a Moderated Quest in Salvar.

[Visla Eraclaire]

Spells

Kineses ~ Uses magic to create an area of high pressure and heat capable of expelling a small amount of substance (perhaps 9 millimeters in diameter and a centimeter or so in length) from a contained area at high velocity in a straight trajectory, subject to the normal effects of drag, gravity, etc. The magic cannot guide the projectile after the initial explosive event.


Would likely get approved... we let lvl 0 characters shoot fire from their hands. People are just scared of guns. Boo!

[Silence Sei]

You're right Zook, I've been around for ages, but I thought that the site may have had a huge overhaul on the way it handled guns.

I actually had two characters of mine start off with guns, but they had to misfire about 80 percent of the time.

I was just making sure so I didn't make my Jones and Rorton NPCs and then have a judge come in and say "Too bad guns don't exist, biatch. 0!"

Saxon, I know -I'm- a level six, but like I said, I was making sure that guns were still in circulation (lest there be not much a point to Max Dirks, Lol)

Visla: AH!

[Zook Murnig]

Honestly, Visla, I don't think that would get approved at level 0. I don't work in RoG anymore, so I'm not an expert on current policy, but I'm pretty sure it would be limited in power to the strength of a throw. Not the power level you're describing as being similar to gunfire.

[Saxon]

EDIT: Saxon, that level 4 thing is not accurate. I have a character who, at level 0, has a flintlock that he earned in a Moderated Quest in Salvar.

Considering most new profiles have had moderators harp the level 4 policy over firearms, over the last couple years in fact, it is. And earning a firearm is far more difficult then you folks like to let on. Frankly, trying to get people motivated to write a quest to earn something that they need to use for a quest in the first place is a bit of a cache-22. (See level limit)

Really, though, policy over having any kind of firearm has usually been inconsistent and the arguments against them have usually been weak.

But, hey, trying to keep gunslingers at bay with this gun control bullshit is sort of ingenius. Promotes activity, no matter the content or the suffering involved, and keeps people who get off on frivolous regulation happy. Win/win?


Honestly, Visla, I don't think that would get approved at level 0.

Its been done.

[Visla Eraclaire]

Honestly, Visla, I don't think that would get approved at level 0. I don't work in RoG anymore, so I'm not an expert on current policy, but I'm pretty sure it would be limited in power to the strength of a throw. Not the power level you're describing as being similar to gunfire.

No, it wouldn't get approved if I described it as being similar to gunfire. I'm saying that dupes approve all kind of silly magical spells without thinking, but will startle at the sound of TECHNOLOGY. Oh no! Someone has a gun that shoots balls of fire!

"HERESY!" says Red Wizard Akmar'thun, master of the level 0 fireball.

Equipment in general is a bitch. You'll be able to conjure a field of force equivalent to certain materials far before you could afford them. This becomes doubly stupid when dealing with "magic items". I want a quiver that conjures arrows, 5000 gold. I want the ability to conjure mundane arrows with my mind, free at lvl 0 or 1 at most.

[Silence Sei]

Ok, so just so we're clear.

I can use a rail gun from a chopper to comepletely destroy everything, right?

[Saxon]

Ok, so just so we're clear.

I can use a rail gun from a chopper to comepletely destroy everything, right?

+1

[Zook Murnig]

Honestly, I've only seen a few quests for guns before, and the difficulty and score required to get said guns seemed to be related to the power of said gun.

For example, it was not hard for Leon Adalbert to get a flintlock. He basically participated in a gun-running thread, picked one up, and used it for a bit. It was not an incredibly powerful gun, and it took a while to load each shot. Therefore, it was easier to procure.

However, in the same thread, another character grabbed a semi-automatic handgun and tried to get that as a spoil. No go. In fact, she was allowed the gun, but it was broken and she needed to go through another quest to find someone who could forge the correct part to fix it. So, really, she was allowed the powerful handgun, but couldn't use it until she completed another thread to get it.

[Visla Eraclaire]

Ok, so just so we're clear.

I can use a rail gun from a chopper to comepletely destroy everything, right?

I've had quests with teleporters, energy cannons, and weapons of mass destruction score fine. I think a rail gun is pretty mellow.

[Silence Sei]

Visla, that was actually a reference to something the big oldies will remember.

[Saxon]

So, really, she was allowed the powerful handgun, but couldn't use it until she completed another thread to get it.



. .keeps people who get off on frivolous regulation happy.


I still don't think you're getting the connection;

Hoops. You. Jump through. Gun. Broken. More hoops. Jump through. Fixed. Hoops. RoG. Jump through. Denied.

[Duffy]

Why do you need gunz when you can has mind lazors?

[Visla Eraclaire]

Visla, that was actually a reference to something the big oldies will remember.

I guess I just don't care to remember it, since I've been present since the site's founding.

[Silence Sei]

Really? And you don't remember the Face-Ice Reaver war, with the whole controversy cuz hybriheero had bought a rail gun and used it to mow down PCs?

And don't make me eat humble pie again. Joik.

[Godhand]

I remember that way way way back when I first registered, I gave my character a gun and a sword. Everyone was way less anal retentive about that sort of shit back then; RevolverGate, which happened after mods made you choose between having a sword and a gun and guns were way more valuable and one dude chose a gun and then sold it to buy a Prevalida sword...Well, that was still years away. Anyway, back to my gun: I fucking forgot I had it until like three levels later.

I don't know if it was because the sword was more fun or what, but there it is. God, what was it about Althanas back then that was so magical that no one ever powergamed a guy with a gun against a guy with a sword? Or they did, but sword guy powergamed right back and the mods ignored it.

[Silence Sei]

Because the mods new the best way ton dish out justice.

WITH REVENGE!

[Duffy]

WITH REVENGE!

Don't tell everybody! :eek:

[Amaril Torrun]

I remember I made a guy with a bayonet that had a broken part. It would shoot with a wide range of inaccuracy. I think I did four of five quests that actually involved combat without ever hitting anyone with a single bullet.

I guess there's really no point nor any relevence behind this magical tale.

[Thoracis]

The rail gun incident was by far one of the funniest things that happened here.

Between Eric (hybrid), Madison (Sighter), and Frank (Leopold) they probably could have written a book on quantum physics with the argument that ensued.

Guns are important on Althanas, in moderation of course. One of the single most important character defining moments for Thoracis was getting shot in the head by Dirks in the LCC. I don't think that battle got to be a Judge's Choice without that moment.

[Visla Eraclaire]

Really? And you don't remember the Face-Ice Reaver war, with the whole controversy cuz hybriheero had bought a rail gun and used it to mow down PCs?

And don't make me eat humble pie again. Joik.

I never read anything, really. For someone on a writing forum, I really dislike other people's writing, with few exceptions.

I do enjoy watching people yearn for the good old days, which are always coated in a magical sheen of wonderfulness. I should start proposing that as a solution to all the forum's problems. Wait a few years. If anyone from now is still around, they'll wear it like a badge of honor and tell everyone that the forum used to be so fabulous.

[Saxon]

I never read anything, really. For someone on a writing forum, I really dislike other people's writing, with few exceptions.

Judging does that to you.

[Caden Law]

[randomly tempting fate]In my RPs, it's basically been established that some of the orc city-states over in Kebiras have gotten all the way to repeating rifles more advanced than the firearms tech in Alerar, with (slightly clunky) magitech skyships to match. It'd be such an awful thing if they ever got unified enough to mount another attempted expedition to the western world of Althanas proper.[/randomly tempting fate]

Because we all know orcs can never outdo anyone at technological sophistication. Semiconstant warfare doesn't drive innovation at all! :D

[Mage Hunter]

I remember that way way way back when I first registered, I gave my character a gun and a sword. Everyone was way less anal retentive about that sort of shit back then; RevolverGate, which happened after mods made you choose between having a sword and a gun and guns were way more valuable and one dude chose a gun and then sold it to buy a Prevalida sword...Well, that was still years away. Anyway, back to my gun: I fucking forgot I had it until like three levels later.

I just want to point out, THIS is the main reason why guns were banned. Not because they're too powerful, just because they want starting packages to be roughly equivalent cost. After they were banned from level 0 profiles, mods eventually got to the point where they retroactively created the idea guns were too powerful.

[Hysteria]

I like the idea of guns in a fantasy setting, however if someone has a good gun and can shoot it accuracy and you have a sword, your pretty much screwed. I'd probably use some sort of deus ex machina to survive.

Maybe.... An NPC jumps out and asks for my autograph and gets hit in the back?