MQ or FQ in the near future!? [Archive]

Savas Tigh

08-21-10, 07:31 PM

Not for a while. No on the FQ. It was a mess. MQ's possibly, after we get everything sorted out and finalized.Seconding like the Fist of the North Star.

That FQ was a bloody shitshow sometimes. Reasonably epic ending though. And Godhand choked out Cthulu.

Every cloud has a silver lining. :)

Sweet Polly Oliver

08-21-10, 07:41 PM

I want another tournament. :3

Izvilvin

08-21-10, 07:50 PM

Absolutely. Not Gisela.

Saxon

08-21-10, 07:50 PM

Every cloud has a silver lining. :)

Unless you were one of the people responsible for managing that mess. Or inherited. It was a complete nightmare.

Good concept. Poor execution. Its over, its buried and done. I say break out the rum and make merry that the biggest thing to hit Althanas in years blew over. For better or worse.

Knave

08-21-10, 07:57 PM

Absolutely. Not Gisela.

The Gisela looked awesome though! Whole armies fighting, that sounds a lot more interesting that just one x one... its 1 x 1 thousand. Might have been a pain to capture, but done well it must have been awesome.

Kryja

08-21-10, 08:07 PM

The Gisela looked awesome though! Whole armies fighting, that sounds a lot more interesting that just one x one... its 1 x 1 thousand.

Could have it simulated in the citadel. Kinda like.... a giant chess match, except with.... armies? Or miniature armies!!

.....

ARMY ANTS!

-is fully of bad ideas at the moment-

Caden Law

08-21-10, 08:21 PM

Unless you were one of the people responsible for managing that mess. Or inherited. It was a complete nightmare.I was. I helped kill both the Big Bads in it. :D

Really, it was most fun for me when I was just a player. I basically ignored every single thing going on and used it to do my own thing. And wound up rewriting chunks of multiple regions doing it. Mostly when I wasn't a staffer.

Agreed on the poor execution, but that was as much the fault of players as staff, and is probably best saved for another thread.

Slayer of the Rot

08-21-10, 08:23 PM

Absolutely. Not Gisela.

Fuck Gisela.

Throw another Cell in my honor. I want to eat some people.

Sweet Polly Oliver

08-21-10, 08:31 PM

Gisela seems difficult and not super fun, and the Cell was great but I'd rather not do another one...

Slayer of the Rot

08-21-10, 08:36 PM

Saxon

08-21-10, 08:39 PM

Yeah, this is an old veteran telling you that the Gisela sucks. Its a good concept but it gets tedious.

Free for all melee battles are always fun though. And honestly, I thought the Adventurer's Crown was great.

The Adventurer's Crown was the Diet Coke of the FQ. Fuck, this site definitely does go through its periods where it has delusions of grandeur. Some things do NOT need to be done to scale. Gisela. FQ. AC. Just sayin'.

Gisela is also fun, but its involved and people rarely stay intrigued with it for very long. Agreed. It sucks.

Cyrus the virus

08-21-10, 09:53 PM

Nah, Gisela sucks. Cell would have been fun for me/Izvilvin but I returned too late! Too bad, I could have been the first and second person to kill Slayer's character. Hmm.

LCC or Serenti time?! 2 vs 2 was always pretty good. And the traditional Serenti.

MetalDrago

08-22-10, 12:27 AM

Let's see... our last tournament was about 3 or 4 months ago, I think... Too lazy to look at the actual dates. Yeah, I'd like to see another one soon, and a two on two would be kinda fun (even though I'll get destroyed by one of you guys in very short order).

Silence Sei

08-22-10, 07:10 AM

Apparently, I'm one of the few oldbies who liked the Gisela.

Sure it's because it established Sei as a strategist, but details details.

I've actually been in talks with TB over what the next tourney should be, and quite frankly, II've loved them all.

Except for the Lawdy. That's ironic because it was my own damn tournament. Just didn't pan out like I thought it would.

Knave

08-22-10, 08:12 AM

All we've talked about so far is Gisela and the Cell... how do people feel about The Corporate Challenge and the The Oxfordshire Open?

Silence Sei

08-22-10, 09:06 AM

That's because Serenti, LCC, Gisela and the Cell are the staple tournies of Althanas.

Oxfordshire, AC, Althanasversary, Lawdy, they were all test tournies of sorts, and usually each one had their own set of problems.

Saxon

08-22-10, 09:40 AM

What it sounds like is everybody wants a tournament. Most of them want something simple and fun, while a few want the complex more archaic tournaments. I'd say roll with the majority and go with something like a 2v2 or even 1v1 tournament as a way to get back to basics. School's coming up and everyone's attention is going to be divided and activity is going to bottom out in about a month, so it'd be a good idea to get something like this to head it off at the pass. Would only need one person to manage it and since we already have judges stabled, there isn't really much need to allocate a lot of manpower in that area. Maybe some new kind of prizes or something to draw people in, but it shouldn't take much. It seems like we're all a bit hungry for blood at the moment and will take whatever we are provided with.

Another idea would be bringing the Pagoda back. Maybe start a new season with a new ladder or something. In it's prime, the Pagoda managed most of the site's battles and had a lot of activity. A bit more management on someone's part, but it had the rewards, prestige and activity to keep people coming back. Just a thought.

Valanthe

08-22-10, 10:11 AM

on the Pagoda note, you could have someone who's sole task on the site is to manage the pagoda. I don't think they'd even have to become a mod to do it, just a player who, in addition to their quests, also manages the pagoda and oversees it. Judges could judge Pagoda threads along with the rest of the threads.

Izvilvin

08-22-10, 10:53 AM

The Pagoda was something I was pretty lukewarm about, but nobody can deny that it was popular. Seems a good idea to bring it back.

LCC!!

Letho

08-22-10, 11:04 AM

Lillith

08-22-10, 11:09 AM

This occurred in the Magus Cup, shortly after I joined just over a year ago.

It'd be interesting to see a tournament of that sorts from the other side of the circuit, as I was new blood then (some might argue I still am :p).

Bring it on!

Saxon

08-22-10, 11:11 AM

In the past, I've been advocating for some sort of a tournament that would pair up the newer members with the vets. It could be a version of the LCC or something. In most cases when a veteran writer and a new member meet in a tournament, it's the vet that goes through and so we wind up with a bunch of old, established names in the later rounds and very little interest from those not participating. So pairing the new and the old up would even the odds and possibly push some new people in the front. I realize this isn't a new and shiny idea (or so I've been told by some of the Althanas ancients), but I would sure as hell like to see it happen.

I remember something like this being done before when we paired up veterans with newer members and they were ordered based on when they joined. I remember it was a really minor part of the tournament too, sort of a last minute thing. Maybe it was the Magus Cup? I forget.

EDIT: Lilith beat me to it, hah. It'd be interesting, but I'm curious to know the results of the last time we tried something like this. The difference being the new guys were pitted against the old. The difference here would be the new and old guys working together in a tournament. It'd be cool to attempt it since most new people feel like outsiders and are treated as such until they spend X amount of time on the site. It'd be a good way to break the ice and usher in the next group of people that'll eventually replace us.

Cyrus the virus

08-22-10, 11:12 AM

I remember doing that with the Magus Cup... or something. I was either paired with or battled against Truth, who is Taskmeister no? Or something.

LCC with vets + new folks sounds like a hit.

Bloodrose

08-22-10, 11:25 AM

The Magus Cup had one bracket for newcomers, and the second bracket was all vets. So really the only cross over between new and old was the final round.

I don't really care which tournament comes next, so much as I care about the possibility of completing my "Finish 2nd" hat-trick. YEAH RUNNER-UP!!!!!

Magus Cup - The Cell - ????

Letho

08-22-10, 11:42 AM

The Magus Cup had one bracket for newcomers, and the second bracket was all vets. So really the only cross over between new and old was the final round.Yeah, I think I remember that. It was certainly one way to keep the new people in the tournament. But as Bloodrose said, there was really no interaction between the old and the new until the very end, and I think interaction between the two could help both.

Saxon

08-22-10, 11:45 AM

Yeah, I think I remember that. It was certainly one way to keep the new people in the tournament. But as Bloodrose said, there was really no interaction between the old and the new until the very end, and I think interaction between the two could help both.

Pair people up as a team. Have a roster established for both new and old, then randomly assort them into teams. 1 new guy, 1 old guy. It doesn't really much matter who is paired with who as it isn't very likely that either side will be very much acquainted with the other. It lets the new guys have a decent chance of being paired up with their FAVORITE veteran and the veterans get to meet people they probably never have worked with before. Establish brackets. The pair then can work as a team when they're pitted against others through the tournament. New guys help Oldbies, and the Oldbies help the New guys make it to the later rounds.

Then it pretty much runs like every other tournament Althanas has had. Gambling, dick measuring, trash talk and fighting. All that good stuff. At least, this is how I imagine it'd happen.

Cyrus the virus

08-22-10, 12:05 PM

Sounds like an awesome idea to me, I'd love to throw Izvilvin into that mix :D

Sweet Polly Oliver

08-22-10, 12:07 PM

Is Saxon some sort of ancient lizard creature that only crawls out of the depths of his dark lair to post once every other full moon when we have the possibility of some sort of tournament coming up? Unless somebody refutes this theory I'll just go with that.

Anyway, I agree with him, it's an awesome idea! I think a 2v2 where newbies are paired up with oldbies would be super fun. I wasn't here for the Magus Cup, but looking at it now it seems like it separated new and old players, which is the sort of the opposite of this. So different. But good!

I supposed I'd be counted as a newbie. Pfff. :P

Lillith

08-22-10, 12:26 PM

Your account, perhaps, but not in spirit!

I'm up for this, before registration is even open - although I'd urge it into existence sooner, rather than later, with uni starting soon and school re-materialising for alot of people!

Sweet Polly Oliver

08-22-10, 12:38 PM

Well I doubt we could be done with the tournament before school starts--my classes start in a week and a few days eek. Getting it started before then might not be a bad idea...but then again things are going to be pretty busy around the start of the school year, idk. I'll be joining no matter what so I guess I don't care that much haha.

Duffy

08-22-10, 12:41 PM

Chances are you won't have any actual work to do or anything heavy for the first few weeks, if not month, so no excuses Polly, crack those fingers, swing that spear!

Sweet Polly Oliver

08-22-10, 12:43 PM

True, true! One of the classes I'm taking is creative writing anyway, so this website is like training for that. Or is it vice versa? :p

Duffy

08-22-10, 12:46 PM

Althanas is the world, the world is merely an extension of Althanas.

I just wish it was busier, (and the world :p)

Zerith

08-22-10, 01:25 PM

Personally, I really like this idea of a 2v2 tournament of vets and new blood team. Once the registration thread was up, I would sign up the first chance I'd get.

Of course that would mean I would have to find a interested partner to form a team with.

Saxon

08-22-10, 01:26 PM

Is Saxon some sort of ancient lizard creature that only crawls out of the depths of his dark lair to post once every other full moon when we have the possibility of some sort of tournament coming up? Unless somebody refutes this theory I'll just go with that.

I have a jar of flies I keep under my desk and I like to lay naked on rocks and warm myself in the sun. So to answer your question.. no, I'm just weird. =P

Silence Sei

08-22-10, 02:30 PM

I like the newbie-oldbie team idea as well.

Even more interesting would be pairing the two randomly with each other. Would make for better stories, anyways.

I mean, could you imagine Izzy paired with Shade (uttam)?

The antics wouldn't ever stop!

Sweet Polly Oliver

08-22-10, 03:03 PM

Sounds like a sitcom plot, Sei. Who's going to play Kramer? :P

Atzar can be George.

The Guile Family

08-22-10, 03:29 PM

I Think I would enjoy getting a chance to flex my brain with a tournament. I could imagine Lucien getting paired with Cassandra, a serial killer and a slight sociopath would tear the competition up.

Duffy

08-22-10, 03:30 PM

Bagsy Rose!

Rayse Valentino

08-22-10, 03:42 PM

The LCC really brings out the best on this site, and that's saying a lot coming from me. Although I'll need Bloodrose to pair up with me if I'm gonna do it.

Duffy

08-22-10, 03:53 PM

Since when did you count as 'new blood' Rayse?

Sweet Polly Oliver

08-22-10, 03:54 PM

Duffy

08-22-10, 03:54 PM

Yes, but if it's on singing, arts, dancing or acrobatics, we all know I'd win ;)

Sweet Polly Oliver

08-22-10, 04:06 PM

Meh, I think Eva's a better dancer. She just has the unfortunate side effect of summoning undead whenever she dances. :P

Still, noncombat would ease the gap between high and low level characters at least.

Duffy

08-22-10, 04:08 PM

Start a thread, you've given me an idea ;)

Rayse Valentino

08-22-10, 05:31 PM

Since when did you count as 'new blood' Rayse?

I never said I was on board with this 'vet with newbie' idea. Just some classic LCC is fine with me.

Revenant

08-22-10, 08:20 PM

You know, a tournament not focused on fighting might be fun too...just a thought? There's no real reason it has to be centered on that. I mean you could have races or any sort of competition thing theoretically, right?

I always liked the idea of the Adventurer's Crown. Teams are given a quest to complete with certain requirements and then the best written threads that incorporate all the requirements advance.

Izvilvin

08-24-10, 07:30 AM

Luc got his little fire sword thing in the Adventurer's Crown, and I had a few fun times in that tournament, but its hard to manage. If getting 16 battles judged in the first round in a reasonable time frame is hard, imagine just 8 quests... and comparing the scores and all... gah!

If we had a kind of competition where all the participants were given the same goal to accomplish, and each had two weeks to write a short solo detailing how they accomplished (or failed) it, and the quests were judged based on the story and all that, that could be interesting. But I'm still up for the LCC... mostly because Izzy plays well off of others and it's my one chance to do well in a tournament :p

Saxon

08-24-10, 07:09 PM

If we had a week to write something like that, I'd suggest the requirements be watered down. 10 posts for something that is quality work and takes time to write well takes longer then a week, at least in my experience. However, I'd be very much interested in a tournament like this as long as we were able to write a short story or something.

Tainted Bushido

08-24-10, 08:15 PM

What would you say to three weeks write as best or complete a story as you can?

Saxon

08-24-10, 08:24 PM

What would you say to three weeks write as best or complete a story as you can?

What are the posting and word limits? Rules? Where do we submit it? I know the idea is fresh, but to be dedicated to this idea there has to be conditions set to allow it to happen. Watering down the rules in a tournament setting isn't unheard of since it happened in the tournament of champions when every character was a level 5 in order to even the playing ground and allow everybody to participate with an equal chance of winning with a developed character and a capable team in 2v2.

I'd say adjust the post/word limits, figure out how long exactly you'd like to wait for submissions and you could probably make for a decent distraction while everyone else is figuring out what the next tournament will be.

Tainted Bushido

08-25-10, 03:08 AM

In terms of the next tournament, let me give you the Idea I had. Keep in mind this is something I pulled together a couple of months ago, but moving about has made me unable to carry it out.

8 teams 2-4 people post threads in the first round. They have three weeks to write a thread that meets the minimum guidelines (10K words or 10 posts).

Next round, 4 teams writing threads. Again three weeks to reach minimum post count or 10K words.

Final round 2 teams writing off for the canon ending to the saga. Same rules.

As far as what is considered canon, first round, only the four advancing is, if you make top four teams you are guaranteed canon for your quarter final thread, and finals is to determine final resolution canon. The only time that content overlaps between teams is the first and third rounds.

Izvilvin

08-25-10, 07:24 PM

I suggested a week or two as the limit because that way, judges wont have 30-post-long quests to judge. The idea is to have a short quest where the player accomplishes a task, it doesn't necessarily have to be the length of a regular quest until the later rounds. We sometimes get way too ambitious here and our tourneys suffer for it.