Need the new Cutting Edge of Weapons Technology

[Enigmatic Immortal]

TL'DR to follow, but ease:

Jensen is asking for the price of a masterwork quality material to create a GunBlade (http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100415042905/finalfantasy/images/3/3f/FF13Blazefire_Saber.jpg). I forgot in my profile update that I have a single shot flintlock pistol awarded to me Here. (http://www.althanas.com/world/showthread.php?23895-In-the-Shadow-of-Oblivion-(Closed)&p=208125#post208125) Due to the nature of the thread, I am prepared to offer the material to be of Masterwork Steel, and offer it up as trade in towards the cost of the new weapon.

I am looking for the Gun portion to be allowed the option to fire 6 bullets, but if this increases cost to more than 500GP, I will accept a single shot variant, but request at least a higher caliber or Armor piercing round. (For the single shot only, multiple shots I will have no Armor Piercing rounds.)

The blade I prefer to be made of Dehlar, but if the increase to Titanium is within 700GP, I will take that.

I understand that any Black Smith of ANY repute would be only able to make this with Masterwork Quality materials, and thus I expect this weapon to be of that grade.

Please tell me what this Estimate will be and we'll go from there.

[Max Dirks]

675 GP for the masterwork dehlar longsword. Titanium is out of your noted price range. Fitting your existing gun into the sword would cost 175 GP. Upgrading the gun to 6 shots would cost 400 GP (this is the difference between the trade in cost of the old flintlock and the cost of a new multishot flintlock). Bullets must be purchased individually at 5 GP per round for iron. The bullets must be below steel otherwise you'd break the gun.

Thus, the total cost for your gunblade would be 1250 GP plus ammunition.

[Enigmatic Immortal]

To allow it be a "switch-blade" weapon like my scythe, would this cost extra? And how much for heated rounds, armor piercing rounds, and increase the blade quality to titanium? (I realized I had a bit more funds)

[Max Dirks]

I'm not sure you're aware of what a flintlock pistol is, or does. Or maybe I wasn't clear. Ammo for a flintlock is a little metal ball you stuff in after the gunpowder. If you want speciality ammo, you're going to need a specialty gun that's not available for purchase in the bazaar. With six shots your flintlock would be modified to have six barrels which would still all have to be loaded manually after each use.

A titanium masterwork longsword would be 1013 GP with an addition 175 GP to make it "switchblade" style.

[Enigmatic Immortal]

Ok. So we're getting closer to the idea. No chance for a revolver style barrel for rapid fire? Just wing clear.

Also, the six shots are slow to fire or the reload makes it impractical in battle?

Buying the "switch" mode.

[Enigmatic Immortal]

DOUBLE POST

After thinking it over, and I apologize for this, I decided that flintlock isn't Jensen's style. He needs to be able to pop those bad boys off rapidly. So instead of the weapon using a flintlock gun style, i would like to instead trade in the masterwork steel flintlock pistol for the following.

A repeater hand-bow, fitted into the style that would fit the Gunblade's look and feel. (So it switches between the sword and Crossbow.) The bolts are to be made of sharpened Steel, the length no longer than your palm from wrist to middle finger. (Aprox. 3 inches.) I would like to request the chamber hold 12 bolts in a cartridge, and it's loaded like a clip into the back of the bow for the bolts to drop into place. (I can give you a diagram for this.)

I would also like to ask how much a pack of Poisoned tipped, armor piercing, and Serrated edged Steel tipped bolts would be in the similar size?

[Breaker]

I'm weighing in on this based on the fact that I am technically a bazaar mod and I think I know what you want, and why Dirks would have so much trouble selling it to you.

A "repeating crossbow" is a two handed weapon, the Akashiman version we have on Althanas is based on the Chinese weapon employed by the forces of Sun-Tzu. While even modern "compact crossbows" require two hands to set the bolt and can then be fired using a pistol-like trigger, this is not the case with ancient repeaters. They functioned based on a two handed crank system, wherein whenever the crank delivered adequate tension a bolt was released and the next one slid into its place. So there's no such thing as a "one handed repeating crossbow", and repeaters are not semi or fully automatic weapons despite what the name implies.

The second issue with what you described is the fact that any crossbow's power comes from its crosspiece. This is why very strong wood or metal was usually used for the "bow" component of a crossbow. By making any kind of crossbow small enough to be comparable to a handgun, you remove all of its penetrating power.

The closest thing to what you have described above is a modern-day C02 compact dart gun. These are about the size of handguns, include cartridges or "clips" like you described, but are powered by canisters of compressed air. The Althanas equivalent, I imagine, would be a similar device which is enchanted to fire darts using compressed air. From a functional standpoint the entire thing should be made from metal of an equal or greater tier to its ammo, and should be considered a piece of specialized masterful craftsmanship. And since the enchantment needs to function constantly and perfectly while the item is in use, it should be a fairly complex enchantment. The pricing of all this and whether or not any of it is true/allowed is up to Dirks, but based on what you want and what the Bazaar actually offers, this seems like your best option.

edit: I still don't understand where you would want to attach a blade to any of these things, but I'll leave that part up to you guys.

[Enigmatic Immortal]

Assuming I can control the wind (an ability I have) can I create the chamber to allow me to create the compressed air needed to fire the darts?

[Breaker]

From a Bazaar perspective, I don't know. From an RoG perspective, any ability that creates as much of an advantage as modern Earth tech would need to be approved at your next level update. For example, Josh can also control air and water, and has an Earth-based firearm, but that doesn't mean he can propel projectiles out the barrel at bullet speed using his air magic.

[Enigmatic Immortal]

And that's fair, but I want to know if

A: we can create the weapon as described using the power of enchantments to make it work because it's cool and not worry so much about "how it works" (still following rules for updating the character.)

B: make the weapon work in a fashion that it could be possible to use my magic to propel the bullets. (Pending RoG)

C: scrap the idea, start for scratch, and try this again.

My point overall is that the I don't care so much how the weapon works, but that it simply works in at the base understanding to give it a power level and understand enough for an enemy to RP against it.

[Enigmatic Immortal]

So....Enchant the chamber to allow the weapon to rapidly fire bolts in a clip of ten, switch mode, made of Dehlar, and this would cost me?

If this is an issue of powerful technology, I would be willing to allow the weapon to 'switch' into a single shot high powered cross bolt shot. But if I am giving up my multiple shots it needs to be fancy!

Fuck it! Make it fancy anyway! I want it to have a gentleman's top hat and monocle!

[Breaker]

The bazaar guides are really straightforward, so I went ahead and priced this. It came to 5625 GP as described above, and I posted my calculations in the mod forum policies so you can see how I got the figure. Personally I could see dropping the price a bit if you didn't have two different firing modes (I gave it the highest enchantment modifier, but if you chose either semi auto or power shot I would drop that a bit, which would bring the price down considerably.) You could also try to get a loan from someone, I hear Sei likes having people in his debt ;)

Other options are to bug another bazaar mod till they take this over. I won't be offended, cuz it's really not my domain. But the numbers all make sense to me, and Dirks hasn't yelled at me for interrupting this thread yet, and usually that means he appreciates it.

The top hat I would throw in for free, but glass is pricey on Althanas so I'll need a specific tier on the monocle :P

edit: I haven't priced out ammo yet, but that's the easy part, so if you want to keep working on this with me, go nuts. Just remember dehlar is the highest tier ammo you can have since that's what the gun is made of, but I should be able to find prices for poisoned/specialized darts if that's what you want.

[Enigmatic Immortal]

Oh my! No worries Breaker I trust your numbers. It's no big deal to me.

I actually had it in mind to use only ONE of those abilities in firing mode. May I ask the price of the semi and the single shot difference?

Low grade mono ole glass. Talking Halloween store grade. Also would like the weapon dyed black and gold leaf script written on the end titled "Law Breaker"

[Enigmatic Immortal]

Question: I have made a purchase for an item that was awarded to me in a quest in order to speed up my update for the Cell. Can I link the proof, link the bazaar thread, and possibly use that as credit towards the weapon? This may require a bazaar Mod to answer.

[Breaker]

Dirks actually established a precedent for this in Warpath's Bazaar Thread (http://www.althanas.com/world/showthread.php?25989-Quick-and-Dirty)

Basically, you have to pay full price, but you can still pretend like you gained it from your quest for storyline purposes, and you'll most likely make back the GP that would have contributed to your spoils when the quest is judged. So, I can't provide a credit for an unjudged quest, but in the long run your coffers should balance just the same.

As for reverting to a single mode of fire (semi auto or power) that didn't diminish the price quite as much as I thought. It would be 4500 for either option. I would stipulate that for "power shot" you'd be able to shoot a bolt every 5 seconds (that's how long it'd take for the power to charge, but you wouldn't have to do anything between shots until you needed a new clip) and each shot would have the same speed as a shot from a heavy crossbow. For the "semi auto" variation I would stipulate you can fire one bolt per second with the speed and of normal arrows (still deadly, but considerably slower than a good crossbow).

And we'll call it 100 GP extra to throw in a felt top hat, cillu glass monocle, dyeing the weapon black and a gold lettered engraving.

If you really want to make it cheaper overall I would recommend dropping the tier to steel. The nature of the item brings several modifiers into play, but the one driving the price up the most at this point is the tier. That said, it's worth borrowing some gold and getting the higher tier in the long run, for obvious reasons. (I wouldn't recommend using plynt because then someone could set your gun on fire, which would only be fun for about twenty seconds.)

[Enigmatic Immortal]

Lol. Gun boom. So the item in question was already judged and awarded. I just bought it and was curious to see if I can take those funds an place into this, also I had a masterwork steel flintlock that I used to lessen the blow. Think that covered the cost of the blade portion.

I want it to be a good weapon, and the ideas you described seem perfect for my needs. So I don't want to lessen any quality here if i don't have too.

[Enigmatic Immortal]

Double post because I found the items and the transactions!

Where the weapon was awarded (http://www.althanas.com/world/showthread.php?21557-The-Crow-And-The-Buttefly/page4&highlight=The+Crow%2C+The+Butterfly%2C)

The place where I paid for it, and would like the proceeds to be refunded (http://www.althanas.com/world/showthread.php?25873-Quick-fix-of-standby-things) and put into this weapon

[Breaker]

Aack, I'm not sure how to do trade-ins, and I just realized I didn't factor in the cost of the blade (you still wanted this to be a gunblade type thing, right?) But Dirks did say the flintlock trade-in would cover the cost of the blade, so your total would still be 4600.

But yes to the other question, which I think I didn't properly understand before. Any item you gain in a quest can be sold at the Bazaar or used to reduce the price of a purchase. However, there is a markdown (the Bazaar buys for less than it sells) which I think is 50%. So if you link me to the other item I'll see what I can do about bringing the price down further.

I'm heading out for dinner now, but if you give me a final description of what you want (since we've discussed a few options) and a list of all trade-in items with links, I'll do the final calculations when I get home.

[Enigmatic Immortal]

Enjoy dinner. I'll post it up as an edit In here

[Breaker]

Cool. I found a precedent in the mod forums for the Bazaar buying items back at 75% of their original worth, so that's how I'll reduce the cost with any additional trade-ins.

[Enigmatic Immortal]

So, I want the Gunblade that fires the darts through the chamber when the weapon is "switched" into gun mode. I want it to be able to fire rapidly, or slower rate of fire for a more powerful bolt shot. It is to be made of Dehlar, and masterwork quality. It is to be dyed Black, with Gold Leaf print in fancy script "Law Breaker" with a top hat and cheapest glass Monocole, of which can be attached via an iron chain to the pommel of the handle.

I have a Steel Masterwork Flintlock Pistol for trade in, approved earlier in the thread to cover the blade.

I have a situation that needs approval to credit me back for an item I purchased in the bazaar, but later found the thread where it was awarded. (The item I bought can just be sold back, and on level up i'll take the approved item in replacement.)

Where the weapon was awarded (http://www.althanas.com/world/showthread.php?21557-The-Crow-And-The-Buttefly/page4&highlight=The+Crow%2C+The+Butterfly%2C)

Where I purchased the crappier version to make the Cell work. I would like to refund it for full amount, or credit (http://www.althanas.com/world/showthread.php?25873-Quick-fix-of-standby-things) and put into this weapon

If Sei would be so kind as to pop in here and declare he's going to cover the remainder, I think we can make this painless and complete.

Thanks for the help Breaker

[Breaker]

I'm gonna be honest, I made a mistake earlier. I'm pretty sure that the weapon with dual firing modes should have been calculated as having two enchantments, so the original price I quoted is probably what you're looking at as a total with one mode of fire. Having both firing modes would end up a considerably more expensive. Looks like you've got some decent tradeins and a good sum of gold though, so let me knw what you want I will get on the math tomorrow. Thanks for you patience.

[Enigmatic Immortal]

What's the damage on the new toy cost?

[Breaker]

Okay, this all checks out. So, we've got the flintlock trading in for swordblade (already deducted from the price), and I can offer you an additional 1300 for the trade-in value of the temporary sword scythe.

The weapon as described above is going to cost 8600 GP (you can see my calculations up to 8500, and then I added the hundred for all the little extras that go with it).

So (8600-1300)= (7300-2620) = 4680 GP is the amount you'd need to borrow from Sei.

On the other hand if you revert to a single rate of fire,

(5700-1300-2620) = 1780 GP you'd need to borrow.

Take your pick, I appreciate your patience.

Oh, and I'm guessing you want some ammo... ? Normal ammo would be pretty cheap, but if you're looking for poison I'll have to figure out how to calculate that, and I have no idea what it will cost :P

[Enigmatic Immortal]

Clarifying question. The weapon awarded will still be in my possession, just selling the temporary version correct?

[Breaker]

Aye. I literally just took around 70% of the price Duff sold you the temp version for. The other one would probably be worth a good bit more, I'd have to run numbers on it. But I assumed you wanted to keep that :P

[Enigmatic Immortal]

Yes I do want to keep that. So let's just keep it as is and I'll get Sei to vouch for Jensen.

Thanks for the work, I appreciate it

[Breaker]

Alright, while we're waiting, what sort of ammo did you want?

[Enigmatic Immortal]

How much for a clip of heated rounds? And how much for wolfs bane?

[Breaker]

I'm not sure what 'wolfs bane' is (some kind of poison? If so, let me know what you want it to do) and I can look at enchanted (heated) ammo, but I need to know the material you want them made from first, you've got dehlar and lesser metals to pick from.

[Enigmatic Immortal]

Hmm.... Masterwork steel for any enchanted item (personal belief that any enchantment must be made with the best of quality)

Wolfs bane is a paralysis poison that acts like novicaine, but for the whole limb that is hit.

[Breaker]

Standard steel darts will be 150 for ten loose, or 200 for ten in a clip (technically you only have to buy one clip, but buying more will save on reload time)

For steel darts w/enough poison to numb a limb it's 750 for ten and 800 w/clip included. (wolfs bane)

Steel darts w/ heat enchantment are 400 for ten or 450 w/clip.

You can probably figure out the individual prices (just remove the zero) if you wanted to buy less than ten of a certain kind of dart. But that's the damage! What'll you have ser?

[Enigmatic Immortal]

...Hmm in my head I don't see this weapon working without the idea of using a Clip. One of each.

[Breaker]

Excellent choice! Your total (after trade-ins) comes to 8700 GP. 2620 from you, 6080 from your benefactor.

I'll post the stipulations now, and once Sei confirms with a post here, we can finalize this!

The Dartgunblade (DGB for short)

-a dehlar gunblade approximate size of a standard flintlock pistol that fires darts using air magic
-it includes three runes or switches (whatever, aesthetically it's your choice) which when activated do the following: turn the weapon on/off, switch it from "semi auto" to "power shot", and of course the trigger
-semi auto mode can fire 10 darts in 10 seconds (1/s rate of fire) and power shot mode takes 5 seconds to charge a shot
-"semi-auto" fires at the speed of an ordinary arrow, "power shot" fires at the speed of a heavy crossbow
-when the weapon is "on" it emits a whirring sound audible to the average human within ten paces
-the DGB must be manually reloaded using custom-built "clips" of ten darts each
-The darts you are purchasing come grouped like with like, but you can mix and match to create sequenced loads (ex. you can put different kinds of darts in the same clip, they all fit the same)
-So long as you keep your clips intact, going forward you only need to pay for replacement darts

Physical description as follows: Gunblade that fires the darts through the chamber when the weapon is "switched" into gun mode. It is dyed Black, with Gold Leaf print in fancy script "Law Breaker" with a top hat and cheapest glass Monocole, of which can be attached via an iron chain to the pommel of the handle.

Enigmatic Immortal sells the steel flintlock and the temporary switch-sword.

[Silence Sei]

Confirmed.

[Max Dirks]

Transaction complete!

2620 Removed from Enigmatic Immortal; 6080 from Silence Sei.