Can I get your opinion on this?

[Penance]

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Can I get your opinion on this?

Basically get insulted for things that Christoph and Aure were unable to explain well, that completely contradicted what Chelley was saying and Chelley was saying was the same as what they were saying.

I was working on bringing a bunch of members in, but if getting insulted and attacked by moderator staff is how I get treated for inquiring about mechanics of the site then I don't think we will play here.

[Chelley]

Hold up, you were in no way being attacked. We were simply trying (repeatedly) to explain a very simple concept. Also, I'm not staff. The only thing you got called was "troll" and that was because you were acting like one.

[Penance]

I was inquiring about mechanics of NPCs. I'm a veteran of other sites and have seen them abused. The way you described how you could use them was abuse and then I got called a 'troll' for wanting to learn how the mechanics of the site work, because they clearly vary from other sites and I'm new?

EDIT:

Your example completely varied from what Christoph had said. Then you sat there for the rest of the discussion calling me stupid and saying he was saying what you had said. Lol.

[Chelley]

I never once called you stupid or anything else for that matter, kindly retract that accusation.

The example I was using was highly exaggerated in hopes of making it an obvious example. Clearly, that failed.

NPC use is not a difficult concept.

If I create an NPC, the NPC is MY intellectual property that you may not control in any way without my permission, just as you cannot control my PC without my permission.

I cannot bring my NPC into play to fight for me without the consent of the other thread participants. However, if I'm allowed to use him in the thread, I can use him however I darn well please.

Attacks on NPCs work in generally the same manner that they do to PCs. You have to leave it open, because it is not YOUR character, unless you have arranged with the creator of the NPC to have control over things.

But all that is not the point. You were not attacked in any way, shape or form. As for being referred to as a troll, note that those comments were between Chris and Aure surmising whether you were being serious or a troll. You were not actually directly called anything. They just felt from the way way you were presenting yourself that you were being a troll.

In this case, a troll is someone who is deliberately making arguments for the sake of arguments and ignoring what is being said, because that's not how it works on other sites.

[Penance]

Yeah. So the hypothetical example you were arguing was a moot point because they disagreed with what you had said, but you sat there and continued to say they agreed with you. o_O

You wouldn't have been allowed to bring your wizard in the thread to whisk you away and you would've gotten stabbed to death.

Basically, as several of my friends that read the conversation surmised is that you're a troll.

I'm just glad someone on this site has some common sense to make that a rule or else people like you would be bringing in high-level NPCs to teleport them away from any situation that wasn't favorable or just create mass numbers that they made up out of nowhere to zerg people at their discretion.

I wasn't ignoring what was being said. You were. Your hypothetical situation was bullshit, which I suspected it to be because on any other site I've been to that's all sorts of powergaming.

Pretty clear I wasn't arguing for arguing sake. I was arguing to try to understand how anyone would let the mechanics of the situation you tried to explain be legal.

[Luned]

I was present for some of the discussion and would have stepped in if I noticed anything amiss, but from the part I witnessed, multiple people were simply attempting to explain our system. There may have been some miscommunication in there, but I see no mistreatment.

It boils down to what Christoph said: consent. Powerful NPCs are not an issue here because you always have the right to tell someone you will not write with that character. NPCs are not allowed in tournaments, so even if someone did make a puppet master character, it wouldn't get them anywhere in our competitive events. If someone does abuse an NPC while writing with you, speak up to a member of the staff and we will help. If it's not a situation where we can step in and guide the thread in an appropriate direction, be assured that through the judgment process, the abuser will receive appropriate warnings and reduced rewards to reflect the problem.

Does that help?

[Chelley]

No, actually, they didn't disagree with me. They fully supported that if I had permission to use that NPC, I could do so. In that same vein, you would not be able to decide that I was stabbed to death because you didn't want to allow my super powerful wizard to save me.

I was not being a troll. As far as I could tell, no one was. Communication was just not that great.

Kindly rescind your accusations against me, sir. They are unwarranted and not appreciated.

[Penance]

No, actually, they didn't disagree with me. They fully supported that if I had permission to use that NPC, I could do so. In that same vein, you would not be able to decide that I was stabbed to death because you didn't want to allow my super powerful wizard to save me.

I was not being a troll. As far as I could tell, no one was. Communication was just not that great.

Kindly rescind your accusations against me, sir. They are unwarranted and not appreciated.

They did disagree with the mechanics of what you explained. o_O Basically I said that your point was moot because I wouldn't have let you use your NPC character.

We were arguing a hypothetical situation and you gave some bullshit powergaming cop-out to how you would get out and then were told that all I had to do was say that I 'didn't consent.'

You explained that your character would basically pull a wizard out of their ass that was level 100 that she probably hadn't even met before to teleport them away when 10 dudes came in to kill you and collect a debt. And you basically said he could munch anything I threw at him because he was made of skittles that just fell out of your butthole.

It sounded like bullshit to me so I called you on it. I didn't know how the mechanics here worked: since most sites you can just autohit NPCs or, presumably, simply attack them and interrupt them from doing what you had said. I.E. the lightning bolt example, or having my own wizard appear to fight yours and stop him. That's what your cop-out would've led to 'one-upmanship' where people pull level 100 characters that count as PCs out of their ass which is why it's not allowed under the terms of 'people needing to consent.'

I'm here to RP and was humoring your hypothetical situation and looking at it from a roleplaying perspective, and you just seemed to want to pull nonsense out of your ass which leads me to assume you were trolling to try and bait a reaction from me.

[Luned]

As we've picked up discussion of the issue via PMs, I am closing this thread.