If You're Happy and you Know it Fire your Gun!

[The Muri]

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Heyo, I would like a Price Check on how much a single pistol would cost. It would be able to take several packets of ammo (twelve bullets each) but outside that would have poor condition (not being able to fire from a long ways away). I will hopefully buy a second one later and then slowly upgrade them to be the most lethal guns on Althanas! As of now I'm not worried about buying ammo unless I have enough.

The pistol itself will look exactly like the gun below except that the preferred color would be black; the trigger kind would be the classic, not that futuristic one; and the circled area would have a stub nose:
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Another question, would I be able to quest for another gun like this and get it as a spoil?

[Lye]

Interesting concept, but unfortunately, there are not many semi-automatic weapons on Althanas. The ones that do exist were rare exceptions with crippling limitations. For example, Dirk's weapons have a high jam rate and less than reliable accuracy.

Looking at something similar, the price would be close to 2,550 GP for the gun alone.
Spring loaded magazine would be 50GP each
Iron ball rounds encased in a shell with associated powder would be 25GP per round.

I would also be looking to the Realm of Greeting staff to approve the transaction.

As for questing for a firearm of this caliber, I would suggest a saga (several related threads) and request it at the end of the saga. The reason being its advanced technology for this time and the lethality of a round versus all present armors. It would still be subject to approval by the Realm of Greeting staff and tending judge.

Might I suggest a repeating hand crossbow? (By repeating I mean it must still be reloaded per shot but would draw from a "clip" or "magazine" Look at this (http://www.atarn.org/chinese/Image34.gif)for a reference.)

[The Muri]

Another character of mine has one. It substitutes well for a gun, but I made this character with the concept of being a gunslinger.

So, for the 2,600 dollars, I might start saving up! 5GP per shot doesn't sound too bad. And I stated that outside the amount of ammo it has it can't do too much like how far it can shoot (suggestions for range level would be awesome, something that makes this cheaper please?) so I really didn't get the part about it still being too powerful...

A saga?? Epic! I need to bump up to level two anyways! Can I do it with more than one person, I suck at keeping my solos active :P

[Lye]

Now if they were firing only for close combat, there may be a slight decrease. We're talking Range of 5 ft. and the discount would be less than 5%. You're still firing a projectile over the speed of sound (1,300ft/s) and that is not only lethal to the average human, but impossible to dodge no matter the range. And if you are interested in the short range, then your "guns" would be more like fire cannons - shooting small bursts of flame and cinder to burn at close range. This option would be considerably less lethal and more affordable.

So even the stated short range will not change the price as long as these are shooting a lethal projectile at that speed. If you want to brainstorm a creative alternative, I am open to suggestion.

[Ashla]

Five feet sounds nice. A small discount is better than none!

A looked around on google, the best I could find for "fire cannons" were cannons. Not actual gun-sized. Is that what you're talking about? (Google is amazing, but still look for simple picture and they don't give you anything you want. How hard is it, google, to find a plain, regular picture of a simple gun exactly the way I want it?)

Also, I know very little about guns, btw. So the brainstorming might provide a headache for you... Do we do it in a PM?

[Lye]

No, for the idea I had for fire cannons, the guns would look the same, but only fire white phosphorous blanks. The fire would shoot out of the barrel like a really hot, .5 second flamethrower. So still a gun, just without the deadly piece of metal that flies at the speed of sound.

To find a price for something like this, I will have to take some time to find something fair. All in all, I imagine you will still be looking at a steep price tag.

[The Muri]

Okay, after some thinking I actually have two ideas for guns and alternatives. I have the flamethrower idea in consideration as well.

1.) There's a PC game I play called "Unreal Tournament" which takes place in a futuristic era but still has mostly modern guns. On of these guns was called a Flak Gun/ Cannon. It didn't shoot bullets but it shot these "sparks" which weren't nearly as fast but had the same damage as a bullet. And while it was still considered a gun (hence the name) it was still categorized as a melee weapon in the game. This could be a good alternative to an actual gun.

2.) In an anime (yes, so realistic.. -at least more realistic than PC games!) There was a character who had these tiny guns, almost smaller than hand-held, which only took one bullet so that one shot counted. They were extremely small and only shot bullets, nothing else. She also had like, one hundred of them to last her in a fight. Would at least one of those be any cheaper? Kaida has the hand dexterity to change a single bullet quickly but at the same time having twelve would be good.

[Lye]

I think the problem we're having here is the fact you want to do the same damage as a gun. You also want the same effect of a gun. (Cannot be dodged and massive damage) and you want it to shoot fast with plenty of ammo.

If you are looking for that, the price is firm, just buy the gun when you can.

If you are looking for something affordable, a handheld repeating crossbow, flame shooter (as suggested), or some manner of enchanted item may be better choices.

The flak cannon is a massive shotgun in the game. It fires small blades and shrapnel in a direction versus slugs. Though the distance is shorter due to the spread, it is still a high velocity projectile. In a pistol, there is not enough room to do the same thing, which is why I suggested the White Phosphorous rounds. Still, considering the mechanics are the same to fire a bullet versus the blank, it would have to be worded that these "guns" are incapable of firing solid rounds. Even then, the fact you have a 12 round magazine (plus one in the chamber) makes them a formidable weapon and will cost you.

The "derringer" which you are referring to from Trigun would be a cheaper form of firearm. That operates similar to a flintlock or musket, but with the saved time of not replacing a cap or packing a barrel. You might be able to get by on this principle and drop the price. Each cartridge would have to be hand loaded. Given their size, they are also horribly inaccurate.

If you want a gun that shoots like a gun, but want to save some dough, a derringer is a good bet. The price will still be high. You'd be looking at 2,025 GP for a single shot derringer style pistol.

Again, that price is high because all you have to do is change a singe cartridge and the velocity is enough for most iron rounds to pierce low tier armor. It is not a weak weapon by any means.

[Ashla]

I'll do the handheld crossbows then. Two that look like this please (except the top is covered and the bow part is a bit skinnier):
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Also, I am still interested in getting a Flak Cannon, but with some changed.
- What I mainly want is the DAMAGE of a gun, but it doesn't have to be the speed. It could be the speed of the blaster bullets in Star Wars (not so fast and easily detectable. It's easy to spot, dodge-able. and block-able.)
- It can fire up to the five feet.
- Since Kaida is stronger than the average human, she could still handle a fairly big weapon like her sword Calcator acceptably with both hands. Same with this?

[Lye]

Alright then, I can work with that.

Lets say we make these bad boys out of yew (most commonly used for English Longbows for it's compression and strength). The hand size is nothing to be worried about, but to not have to manually re-load a fresh bolt each time into these things, lets assume they have a spring fed magazine (extra charge) that can hold - say - 6 bolts. You still have to cock it after every shot.

These would be 250 GP each (not including magazines)
The magazines are 50 GP each
The bolts (Iron) are 10 GP each

The velocity these fire at is around 200 ft/s
Maximum effective range (where you could accurately place a shot) is about 25 feet.
That being said, these are also relatively silent. (Hard to hear from 50 ft or more. Accuracy would suffer at this range.)

What do you say?

To increase velocity, you could move into a higher tier wood or even a metal (metal would be louder when fired). Wood has the best spring to it.

[The Muri]

620 sounds like a fair price. I'll have to use an alternate account to pay for some of this though. I'll check to see if I can still use any... If not I'll just go with one for 310 (and that's the other stuff included for either.)

EDIT: Couldn't find any. 310 from this account please for one hand held?

[Lye]

The 310 will buy you the gun-bow, one empty magazine, and one bolt. For one in the chamber and 6 in the magazine, your price would be 370 GP. Would this work for you?

Perhaps you want a spare magazine to reload?

If so, that would be another 50 GP for the empty magazine plus 60 GP for another 6 bolts to load it.

[The Muri]

I can do 370 GP...
Plus that other amount... 480...

A little bit more than I hoped, but I can always get more GP. I can do that since it would be awesome to reload and stuff!

So... transaction time?

[Lye]

Indeed.

Sorry the prices weren't what you hoped! Guns are expensive.

The Muri pays 480 GP, reducing her total to 20 GP.

The Muri obtains one (1) Repeater Bow-Gun with two (2) spring fed magazines and thirteen (13) iron bolts. This weapon is self-reloading from the magazine, but must be "cocked" after each firing.

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