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Ashla
08-22-14, 10:09 AM
Now this shows up!!
http://cartoonfanboyone.deviantart.com/journal/Repost-this-477251756#

And the petition link says 404, heeelp!!

Roht Mirage
08-22-14, 10:48 AM
Here's more info.

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1qzwsm/after_the_wikileaks_release_what_is_the_tpp_we/

It's got a working petition from OpenMedia. As far as I know, they've gotten involved in some Canadian issues like this to some effect... as much as they can have against the big wallets.

Enigmatic Immortal
08-22-14, 11:49 AM
We should all just accept our new overlord robot masters. All hail Skynet! Provided by the Patriots!

Krausus
08-22-14, 09:56 PM
You were somehow banned from DeviantArt.

Anyways, this is getting annoying. How many of these companies actually CARE about people using their copyrighted material?

In my understanding, copyrights are normally to PREVENT THE COPYING AND SALE of the specific thing, like you can't call your store Walmart, etc. But now we're going for "internet related infringements." Bullshit I say...

As for the other parts of it, some are decent, others are pure idiocy, or BEYOND idiocy.

black shadow
08-22-14, 11:23 PM
Why don't they think about the fact that the moment something like this gets passed, probably 99% of the Internet will be forced to shut down? Idiots I tell ya, they're all idiots!

Max Dirks
08-23-14, 07:06 AM
This is a bit dated, but I think you're focusing on the wrong part of the TPP. The TPP is designed to work like NAFTA, where special visas are created to enable the freedom of movement across borders for business purposes. In addition, the agreement will keep tarriffs low, offering a competitive advantage over China for goods manufactured.

You also misunderstand the IP portion of the TPP. Trade agreements such as these open countries (and their people or companies) up to legal responsibilities they might not have had before. In this particular instance, the U.S. has comparatively stringent copyright protection compared to the TTP countries (except Canada). ISPs can still be civilly liable in the U.S. under the DCMA if they've been notified about illegal content, have the means to remove the material, and have not removed the material. The U.S. is trying to extrajudicate their laws onto these other countries, which host a great deal of piracy. If they are subject to these laws, U.S. companies (or people) who produce these copyrighted materials can have their stuff removed from pirate websites or sue them. Unlike before, they'll actually have a good chance of winning the suit.

The U.S. negotiation strategy is simple. Stick it hard initially then back down to the level they actually want. Also Ghost, think back to civics class. This is a non self-executing agreement, which means that any action taken that usurps power from Congress would acquire approval from Congress as a full treaty. SOPA did not make it through Congress once. Do you really think it has a chance to make it through again?

Reddit is obsurd. I highly recommend you find other sources for your info, Roht.

Hysteria
08-23-14, 09:05 AM
You were somehow banned from DeviantArt.

How did you get banned grom DA ghosty?

Karuka
08-23-14, 09:27 AM
I did my own research into this subject because the initial link was full of inflammatory language - it's designed to incite outrage and panic among people who don't/won't do their research and are easily panicked. Dirk's explanation is pretty much right - I didn't find anything in the language of the TPP itself that would actually shut down much of anything, and Fair Use is explicitly protected.

What? Research and reason? On the internet? Oh no, I broke the cardinal law!!!!!!