Gay Marriage Legalized Nationwide in USA

[Rayse Valentino]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-26/gay-marriage-legalized-nationwide-by-u-s-supreme-court-ibdovxv1

"There may be an initial inclination in these cases to proceed with caution—to await further legislation, litigation, and debate. The respondents warn there has beeninsufficient democratic discourse before deciding an issueso basic as the definition of marriage....The dynamic of our constitutional system is that individuals need not await legislative action before asserting a fundamental right....This is why “fundamental rights may not be submitted to a vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections."

This line sends chills down my spine. There is no longer any gay marriage, it is just marriage.

[Alydia Ettermire]

It's silly that it took this long.

[Ioder]

Good for us, Its about time we realized that everyone is equal.

[Irate Pirate]

Yeah, this is a giant leap in the right direction.

[Rayleigh]

Really remarkable. I'm so proud to have lived through this, and I can't wait to teach my students about it decades down the road.

[BlackAndBlueEyes]

Took long enough, but I'm happy to see that it's finally happened.

[Cards of Fate]

It really shouldnt have ever been an issue to begin with. The government has no right to tell two consenting adults they cant get married.

[Rehtul Orlouge]

This is good news to wake up to, I must admit.

[Shinsou Vaan Osiris]

Welcome to civilization, America. The UK has been waiting for you. :o

[hoytti]

I honestly consider being gay wrong. However, I also consider forcing your belief on somebody else to be wrong as well. So as long as those places that don't like gay marriages aren't forced to do the ceremony for the wedding, I don't care.

[Ioder]

^ I see your point, but that would perpetuate this even further. The world is changing and separate is never equal.

[Shinsou Vaan Osiris]

I honestly consider being gay wrong. However, I also consider forcing your belief on somebody else to be wrong as well. So as long as those places that don't like gay marriages aren't forced to do the ceremony for the wedding, I don't care.

Not quite sure how being gay can be wrong. At the end of the day it's not exactly a choice. However I guess it is your opinion and you are entitled to it as much as anyone.

The law will likely force churches to implement the ceremony. Ironic, really, that the law wishes to recognise equality of beliefs and criminalises those whose own beliefs go against those very principles it is trying to uphold.

In the UK, its been quite a devisive issue. The church seems to be warming to the idea, though. Probably because they realise they can no longer stem the tide.

My own opinion is very clear: I simply don't care if you are gay or not. As long as you are a good person that's all that matters.

[black shadow]

If a Christian church decides they don't want to host a gay marriage then they should not be forced to do it. As everyone knows the Christians are against homosexuality, so don't force them to do something they are against. Yes, everyone will hate them for saying no, it will become big news and crap, but it's their choice. Ya don't like that they say no, go somewhere else that will say yes.

EDIT: just my opinion, I you don't like it then please don't attack me. Also, I am not trying to change your mind, don't try to change mine, it won't change. Thank you.

[Mordelain]

The only thing better than marriage equality would be dissolving the antiquated, meaningless legal ceremony altogether.

Nobody can put a price or condition on love. Not God, nor god, nor science divided.

[Shinsou Vaan Osiris]

The only thing better than marriage equality would be dissolving the antiquated, meaningless legal ceremony altogether.

Nobody can put a price or condition on love. Not God, nor god, nor science divided.

My Church begs to differ. £850 to get married before the bellringers even turn up!

Done up like a kipper.

[hoytti]

The Marriage Ceremony is a human thing. God only said that a man shall join with a woman and they shall become one.

Genesis 2:23–24

23 Then the man said,
“This at last is bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called Woman,
because she was taken out of Man.”

24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

He never actually mentions a ceremony that has to be followed.

[Shinsou Vaan Osiris]

The Marriage Ceremony is a human thing. God only said that a man shall join with a woman and they shall become one.

Genesis 2:23–24

23 Then the man said,
“This at last is bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called Woman,
because she was taken out of Man.”

24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

He never actually mentions a ceremony that has to be followed.

He also didn't make any mention of a rabbit delivering chocolate eggs in the night, but Hallmark got that one nailed.

[hoytti]

you're right. And there is no mention of Jesus's birthdate either. Many things that happen in society happen due to humans wanting it to happen.

[Zook Murnig]

There are only a handful of instances in which homosexual practices are mentioned in the bible, as I recall.

The listing of the laws of the Jewish people, to which non-Jews are not held subject, and which only says that a man shall not lay with a man, but also says that a married couple may do as they wish with each other and that sex is for enjoyment first, not procreation (it says nothing of lesbian relationships, except that a woman is not to be touched while she is menstruating). The laws of the Jewish people, as well, are largely for the purposes of ritual purity, as the Chosen people, and as such are required to give up quite a few things, and more if they are of Kohenite or Levite lines.

The listing of the Seven Noahide Laws, to which all non-Jew followers of God are held subject, forbids homosexual relations, but within the context of the time it was specific to the Greek practices of requiring apprentices to lay with their masters, and also the Babylonian and other regional religions' practices of altar boys (children) as sacred prostitutes. I think we can all agree that these practices were wrong on the deepest level, and so could the founders of Noahide Abrahamic religion (from which Christianity and Islam descend).

And the particular practices of the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, from which the term sodomy derives. But sodomy, even from its original usage, implies specifically rape, and so forbidding it is more about protecting bodily autonomy than it is about forbidding a particular type of relationship. As well, those cities were punished for repeatedly and flagrantly disobeying the Seven Noahide Laws, even after being warned by the representatives of the Israelites.

And on another note, churches, priests, ministers, reverends, et al have always been allowed to refuse to marry a couple for any number of reasons, from not being members of their church to not considering them to be appropriately devoted to each other. This reason will be viewed, in the eyes of the law, as no different, I suspect. BUT, contrary to the sentiments expressed by hoytti and black_shadow previously in this thread, there are any number of Christian churches who are open to same-sex relationships and marriages, and most states don't even require a religious officiant for marriages. LGBTQ accepting churches may be more difficult to find in some places than in others, however.

[Dissinger]

If a Christian church decides they don't want to host a gay marriage then they should not be forced to do it. As everyone knows the Christians are against homosexuality, so don't force them to do something they are against. Yes, everyone will hate them for saying no, it will become big news and crap, but it's their choice. Ya don't like that they say no, go somewhere else that will say yes.

EDIT: just my opinion, I you don't like it then please don't attack me. Also, I am not trying to change your mind, don't try to change mine, it won't change. Thank you.

Paul was condemning a concept that had no name for it other than Homosexuality. When he wrote the letters to the Roman's and Corinthians he was condemning the practice of Roman soldiers taking young boys as apprentices. They would often sexually abuse the boys and that was what Paul condemned. The concept of Pedophilia wasn't mainstream for a few centuries later.

[Luned]

Does this mean my beard can legally marry Otto's beard now? awww yeah

[Rayse Valentino]

The law will likely force churches to implement the ceremony. Ironic, really, that the law wishes to recognise equality of beliefs and criminalises those whose own beliefs go against those very principles it is trying to uphold.

Churches are not legal institutions. The government can't force them to perform weddings. There's a lot of right-wing talking points that are claiming otherwise, don't listen to their fearmongering. Gay couples have been getting married in tolerant churches, courthouses (civil weddings), or just picked up their marriage certificates without ceremony. Or just performed the ceremony elsewhere and picked up their license before/later.

[Tobias Stalt]

The level of fuck. I just. Do not give.

Welcome to 2015. Let's all shut up now.

[BlackAndBlueEyes]

Churches are not legal institutions. The government can't force them to perform weddings. There's a lot of right-wing talking points that are claiming otherwise, don't listen to their fearmongering. Gay couples have been getting married in tolerant churches, courthouses (civil weddings), or just picked up their marriage certificates without ceremony. Or just performed the ceremony elsewhere and picked up their license before/later.

This guy, right here.

[Mordelain]

The level of fuck. I just. Do not give.

Welcome to 2015. Let's all shut up now.

Back to RP now :)

[Philomel]

This guy, right here.

That guy right there. :D

Of course churches/minsters won't be forced to perform the ceremony if they don't want to do it. That goes against freedom of religion and a fair few basic human rights. However, there are some ministers and churches and/or other religious instutions who are willing to perform the wedding ceremony so that would be the port of call for gay marriages. And you can always book out a church and get your own minister or registration official. That is what I am doing for mine.

[Philomel]

On this note - I am a Christian and I am bi. I have even had a girlfriend. If anyone wants to know my proper opinions on what "gay" is then I can explain them to you, but they take a while to explain.

I agree with Zook though. A lot of the laws in Leviticus etc, which are part of the Torah and the Bible, about "a man shall not lie with another man," are about racial purity. The ones that are mentioned in the New Testement by Paul in his letters ... well a large amount of his stuff was all specific to the culture he was writing to. My brother did Christian theology at University so I have had long conversations about this.

In general opinion is opinion. My parents certainly do NOT agree with my view on homosexuality, but they don't condemn gays to hell either. (and when I say gay I mean LGBTQ+) Gordon agrees with me, others don't - everyone is free to have their own opinion and to love. This is why this law is important. Because it makes love equal, and for those who want a wedding ceremony to be able have that wedding ceremony.

[Hysteria]

If it is ok for a man who has been convicted of murder in prision and a sycophantic and deranged fan-girl to get married, then I don't see what's wrong with two men or two women doing the same.

Ethics takes on an interesting twist when the right to hate comes into play.

Long story short, we are still waiting for legalisation to happen here. We're probably another few years away :(


Does this mean my beard can legally marry Otto's beard now? awww yeah

Only if you elope to beardtopia, that most mysterious of lands where beards travel far and wide, free from the oppression of the facial elites.

[Luned]

Yet another reason to gay up Australia when I get there

[Mordelain]

That's going on the quote wall.

[Christoph]

"Wow, the internet has been extra gay the last few days. Oh, that's why." I don't pay attention to stuff as much as I should. XD I would have been against this several years ago, but at some point I actually asked myself why I cared, and I was like:

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/62530185.jpg

Of course, back before then I was still within the age range of those who call people fags on XBoxLive, and who banged all our moms, so what did I know? :D

Nowadays, I'm more or less with Mord on this in that marriage shouldn't be a government issue at all. Why take something awesome like two adults loving and committing to each other and add in politicians and lawyers? If we did away with it or just quietly renamed the legal half of it a "civil partnership" (for everyone), there probably wouldn't have been such a fuss, but alas. I think everyone will get over it after a while because, really, gay marriage super easy to just ignore if you don't like it.