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jdd2035
12-21-15, 09:56 PM
Ok I am not ready to submit this information yet but would like feed back

The Xebec

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Specialty: Close hauling, Speed, and Maneuverability

Weaknesses: Can not weather an open ocean storm, and has very little stamina for an extended battle.

Crew Complement: 100-350 men 1 Captain, 5 Lieutenants, 10 midshipmen the rest would be landsmen to rated seamen.

Guns: 18 to 36, 8-18 pound broadsides; 0-2, long 4-12 pound bow/stern chasers; 0-8, 1-2 pound swivel guns.

Description: For any captain wanting a fast ship there are very few that can surpass the Xebec. With it's shallow draft sharp bow and stern and enormous sails this lateen rigged ship is as nimble as a gazelle. It is characterized with three masts each mast having a single oversize yard arm with a single large sail and a short bowsprit. For its size it has an incredibly large crew the large crew is needed because the large lateens can be furled and the yards removed from the masts and replaced with more traditional square rigged sails to sail more efficiently beam or broad reach or running with the wind but needs a large crew to do all this with any speed. This ship can sail circles around just about any other ship of comparable size. Its down fall however is with everything done to make it so fast it sacrificed durability in short it has a glass jaw and will suffer heavily in any sustained ship battle a captains best strategy with a Xebec would be hit and run tactics or complete surprise and overwhelming force.

Historic Example: Spanish privateer El Gamo.

The Junk

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Specialty: Speed, low man power needs, can fire incendiary rockets

Weaknesses: Lower maneuverability, ineffective at close hauling, no keel.

Crew Complement: 25-75, 1 captain, 1-3 lieutenants, 1-5 midshipmen and the remainder being able seamen and a few rated seamen.

Guns: 6-18, 4-8 pound broadsides, 0-2 long 4 pound bow/stern chasers. 5-20 incendiary re-loadable rockets.

Description: A beautiful and exotic looking ship the junk is one of the most efficient in history having been in use for nearly two thousand years. With its lower tumblehome the junk could house only a few guns; rather than trying to add more guns the junk with it open weather deck can be fitted with incendiary rocket launchers which can be used with great effect against enemy ships. Not only is the junk uniquely armed but it is also incredibly fast when sailing with the wind having a shallow draft and being constructed with soft woods rather than the traditional hard woods making the junk lighter. Finally the lugger sails make setting an maintaining a press of sails a simple process requiring a minimal crew to run a junk compared to more traditional ships of similar size. The same attributes that make the junk incredibly fast and easy to sail also causes it problems. First there is no keel and when combined with its construction from soft woods makes it incredibly flexible and hard to control even with a large rudder the junk tends to get pushed around by the wind. This is further compounded by the lugger sails which work great sailing with the went abaft or at the ships side but with their shape makes them poor at sailing into the wind or close hauling.


Example: The Empress

The Galley

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Specialty: Speed/ Maneuverability with out wind, overwhelming vanguards, experienced sailors not needed.

Weaknesses: Manpower heavy, potential for over half of the crew to turn on you, very few guns.

Crew Complement: 200-400 1 captain, 1-3 lieutenants, 1-3 slave drivers, 100-200 seamen, 100-200 slaves at the sweeps.

Guns: 2 long 18 pound bow chasers, 2-4 long 24 pound stern chasers.

Description: An older type of ship but still used among the more barbarous populations of Althanas. A direct descendant of the trireme's and the ancestor of the Xebec this ship is a resilient vessel that was easily adapted to the use of guns. To propel the ship through the water the galley uses both sails typically one to two masts with a single lateen rigged sail each and sweeps. Each oar was manned by at-least two slaves chained to them. To keep the slaves in check slave drivers would walk the center board and lash any slave not being attentive to his oar or just because and to keep the slaves from out numbering the crew and taking over the ship the crew complement had to be as large or larger than the amount of slaves on board. This makes boarding actions and taking prizes a breeze with nearly overwhelming odds in the galley's favor. This also means that the galley can not make as long of voyages as similar sized strictly sailing ships. The trick is to be able to get close enough to another ship to board it with out being raked by broadside over and over again with out being able to shoot back.

Historic Example:

The Brig, Brigantine and Hermaphrodite Brig

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Specialty: Easy customization, no other real strengths or weaknesses

Crew Complement: 50 to 75 1 captain, 3 lieutenants, 10-25 vanguards men, remaining ordinary to rated seamen.

Guns: 10 to 18 4 to 8 pound broadside guns.

Description:Brigs are not ships, ships by definition have three vertical masts, a brig has two vertical masts. That being said a brig is quite the formidable sailing vessel. It has been used by military's, pirates, bounty hunters, merchants, privateers, and just about any one else who would want a cheap to maintain, fast, formidable vessel. To put things in modern terms the Brig is the muscle car of sailing vessels. They are easy to customize, their parts and "after market" parts are both readily available in several ports and all things considered relatively cheap. If you want a fast vessel you can make a sail plan for it change the ballast masts, and use lighter cannons and shot. If you want a more powerful ship you can do that too by purchasing heavier weapons and changing the sail plans and so on.

Historic Example:Lady Washington, Interceptor, Jackdaw, Aquila, HMS Beagle, USS Argus, and USS Niagara (Captained by Oliver Hazard Perry)

The Galleion

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Specialty: Firepower and storage.

Weakness: Wide turning radius and slow

Crew Complement: 100 to 300 1 captain, 5 lieutenants, 30 to 100 vanguards men, 50 specialists (Boatswain mates, carpenters mates, tops men etc..) remaining ordinary to rated seamen.

Guns: 50 to 75 18 to 36 pound broadside guns or 36 to 48 pound carronades (Or a combination of both), 6 2 pound swivel guns and 8 long 12 to 18 pound chasers.

Description: The Galleon is an ancient and ponderous ship that is loved truly loved by any captain privileged enough to captain her. For her size the Galleon has a over the top fire power and plenty of storage space for all the booty that you might score. That is if you can catch up with your prize because for all of her ridiculous firepower she is ponderously slow and frigates, brigs, sloops and any other small nimble ship can run absolute circles around her as she has trouble turning. In fact the only thing slower and more ponderous than a Galleon is are the rated ships of the line.

Historic Example:The Queen Anne's Revenge and the Eurka De Lima

Men O' War Frigates

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Specialty: Speed and Fire power

Weakness: Maintenance heavy.

Crew Complement: 100 to 175 1 captain, 3 lieutenants, 30 to 60 vanguards men, 50 specialists (Boatswain mates, carpenters mates, tops men etc..) remaining ordinary to rated seamen.

Guns: 20 to 40 18 to 24 pound broadside guns or 24 to 36 pound carronades (Or a combination of both), 4 2 pound swivel guns and 4 long 8 to 12 pound chasers.

Description: The Frigate make up the back bone of any age of sail Navy. They are fast their speed out stripping all but the fastest sloops the xebec and brigs. Beyond their speed they also have fire power to match their speed. These ships are no nonsense war ships and are designed to do one thing well, fighting battles. Thanks to their purpose these ships are a bear to maintain unless set on convoy duty. Their coppered bottoms must constantly be cleaned of seaweed and barnacles, their knees must constantly be pitched less they rot and their cordage and sails take an incredible amount of tar to keep from becoming frail and frayed and all of that is if a captain is lucky not to be ordered to one of the forty thieves.

Historic Example:The U.S.S Constitution, the H.M.S Leopard, and the French Frigate Pourvoyeuse.

Men O' War Ships of the Line

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Specialty: Man power and Fire power.

Weakness: Slow, poor maneuverability, resource heavy, expencive.

Crew Complement: 600 to 1200 1 captain, 10 lieutenants, 200 to 300 vanguards men, 200 specialists (Boatswain mates, carpenters mates, tops men etc..) remaining ordinary to rated seamen.

Guns: 75 to 100 36 to 48 pound broadside guns or 36 to 60 pound carronades (Or a combination of both), 12 2-8 pound swivel guns and 16 long 18 to 24 pound chasers, 100 mortars, and 100 rockets.

Description: Question do you want to perform a vulgar show of force? Do you want an obscene amount of firepower at your beck and call? Than look no further than a line of battle ship. These are not so much a ship as more of a floating city with row upon row upon row of cannons with hundreds of sailors to man each gun and and take over so much as a medium sized town or a small city. These things in spite of having so much absurd firepower are resource heavy and it takes a nation to build. It takes one thousand trees, hundreds of tons of iron and several tons of brass and copper to build a single one of these ships. Then it takes three pounds of food per person per meal per day to feed and another half gallon of alcohol and water to water. Fully supplied and manned it is easy for these ships to weigh more than one million pounds. It would take an incredibly large influential faction or a medium sized nation to even start thinking of commissioning one of these behemoths of a ship and chances are that what ever war that this ship is being build for will be long over by the time it is Christened.

Historic Example:The Dauntless and The Ville De Paris

K-Zu-Ziro
12-22-15, 12:32 AM
this is really cool! i like it ;D some of the terminology goes over my head as a layperson etc lol. reading this post makes me want to go back and watch master and commander again. i love that movie!

Philomel
12-22-15, 02:55 AM
You should join the Black Sails Armada!!! It is a POwer Group for pirates. Philomel has the Feisty Fox through it :D

redford
12-22-15, 07:28 AM
Can you add the Irilien? It's an ancient elvish ship that the tarot owns. It's fast but otherwise I'll leave the rest to you. :)

jdd2035
12-22-15, 01:56 PM
The Junk is up

Cards of Fate
12-22-15, 02:36 PM
I plan on using Jds info to create an Irellian, but so far so good mate! To make things more organized Id keep all the boats in the first post and post everytime a new ship is added

Gnarl & Root
12-23-15, 04:52 AM
This is actually really cool stuff. I look forward to seeing a more complete list!

jdd2035
12-24-15, 04:46 PM
The Galley is up

jdd2035
12-25-15, 11:01 PM
Ok about guns, I know that Althanas has varying technology ranging from the medieval time to the age of sail depending on location, player, and magic VS tech philosophies and so on and so on. So....help? I like the idea of ships having guns and we can suggest "a wizard did it" or a gnome or what ever or you know suggestions...

Cards of Fate
12-26-15, 09:06 PM
We have regular black powder cannons, so thats no issue. As long as you aren't saying the Alerans have steampunk destroyers with magic lazer cannons we should be all good.

jdd2035
12-27-15, 02:15 PM
The Irilien

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Originally christened The Emperors Daughter this brig rigged schooner was never a work horse but a beautiful and noble ship that was a jewel of a Radasanth elvish merchant fleet. She was built to embody the elvish ideas of grace and speed, with a 57 foot long keel made of one solid piece of Rywan and ribbed and hulled Akashima redwood. She has a deep draft and a hull that is sharp below the water giving her as much grace as an antelope or a deer. Her main and mizzen masts both single spars the mizzen is one hundred fifteen feet tall with the main mast being ninety five feet. The main masts sail plan is a simple spar running the entire length of the mast with the top spar being half as long as the bottom the mizzen sail plan is similar with the spar sail running 3/4 of the length of the mizzen with a set of raffee topsails. The Irilien's sail plan is further rigged with jib and stay sails coming off of the bowsprit, main and mizzen masts. Each sail is made by an intricate weave of canvas and silk.

With all of her grace it is easy to assume that the Irilien has no teeth. Nothing could be further from the truth and any pirate that has such an idea as to try and take her as a prize will find out just how much of a fight she has. For the purpose of classification she is a twenty gun sloop of war armed with twenty, six pound cannonades with two long four pound stern chasers. With four one pound swivel guns mounted fore and aft port and starboard. To take advantage of the kind of speed and maneuverability a twelve foot long bow ram has been installed any ship looking to rake the Irilien's bow at pistol shot are gambling.

Of special note is the elvish enchantments on the entire ship. While like any other sailing vessel she needs wind to make her move it only takes the very slightest of breezes to get her to kick up a bow wake, and heel to the lee chains. In any kind of wind other ships will be very hard pressed to match her speed. In light airs she sails just as handsomely as if she was sailing with a full press of sails in a good strong wind.

jdd2035
01-30-16, 10:53 PM
The Brig is up.

jdd2035
02-04-17, 05:26 PM
The Galleon is up

jdd2035
02-04-17, 05:49 PM
The Frigates are up

Gnarl & Root
02-05-17, 09:32 AM
Looking good mate. :)

I feel like this thread should be sticky wicky at the top.