Video Games You Think Are Overrated!

[Mathias]

I know everyone here's a critic. So let's share some opinions and hash some out - What are some of the popular video games out there, past, present, and future, that people think are overrated?

Personally, I think the Final Fantasy series, in all of its entirety, is pretty overblown. Tactics was cool - I did like that. But even the stories still have so much recycled and clichéd material. Of all the ones I played, (1, some of 6, 7, 9, and 10), yes, FF7 was, in fact, my favorite, but I only liked parts of it. Really, the dystopia of Midgar and Junon - but once I got to the 2nd disc, the game lost its appeal to me. (That, and Rufus, my favorite character, being resurrected in Advent Children, pissed me off. Also, AC is a travesty in the guise of a movie.)

Also, my biggest beef with them, is that, regardless of the little re-inventions of battle systems and magic systems and what-not, an RPG is still an RPG, and the genre doesn't have too much to offer outside of a good story. And once you've played a hundred and a half, you really HAVE played them all.

I also think Resident Evil is extremely overrated. Two and three were good. Three, not because it was particularly groundbreaking, but because I fucking love Nemesis. I didn't get into the GameCube remakes and side-stories and such, and I didn't like three overall, and I didn't really get into Code Veronica, and then the movies came out. The movies, really, show me how Capcom really has no limit to the depths they'll sink to make a buck or two. And the fact that there are THREE of them? Jesus. Although the movie sucked, Silent Hill is just a better survival horror series. Period.

NOW POST YOURS!

[Cyrus the virus]

Explain your gripes with FF6 if you have any, you hoser.

Overrated games, to me, tend to be ones that lack depth. Or are just plain shitty. Good examples are the Katamari games and Wii Sports, which is terrible.

[Caine Raienbark]

This may piss some folks off, but I'd go so far as to say the Halo series. Just never appealed to me, as I don't find their story to be anything ground-breaking, and I'm not entirely sure why everyone thinks the gameplay is so great. Maybe it's cause I'm not a huge FPS fan, but I don't see too much stuff that's revolutionary about it.

I'll still play Halo on occasion, but can never build up the willpower to beat the game.

Edit: For the record, I have a Wii and I play Wii Sports more than I play Zelda and Tiger Woods Golf. Wii Sports is amazing.

[Bullet Witch]

Hurray! My career as a game critic starts here!!!

I believe, in all in its entirety, that the Halo series is overrated. Sorry guys, especially those who love it, but I simply can't get into it. Sure, it has an epic storyline and all, but seriously its just a shooter. Not many shooters out there can satisfy my thirst for blood. Now Unreal Tournament, that's a good shooter series.

Also, I must say I have to agree with Mathias that Final Fantasy Seven as a game was dissapointing, but that's probably just because of the expectations i have nowadays. But the storyline and the characters will live forever! xD

Edit: lol Halo ninja'd...

[Slayer of the Rot]

Halo series.

EDIT: I'm not changing to include more.

[Bullet Witch]

Cool, I'm not the only one who thinks so.

[Lucien]

Halo = Not that great. Halo basically strips bare the First Person Shooter genre, makes it simple for everyone, and tacts on some sort of story with novels. Let the fellatio of Bungie begin.

I've never finished a Final Fantasy in my life and probably never will. I'm not a fan of the cutsie Japanese's RPG.

I think World of Warcraft is incredibly overrated. It's a simplistic version of the MMORPG that makes it easy to whiny and easily manipulated (raped) tweens.

[Mathias]

Halo's storyline just plain sucks. I think it's a fun FPS. Certainly not the BEST, or even one of them, though.

Cyrus, I didn't play 6 for more than maybe half an hour. I did like it (because I'm more fond of the Bit RPGs than 3D ones.) But I just didn't get too into it.

Now, Katamari, I can understand your frustration with its lack of depth, but I honestly don't think that's a flaw. Because then you're saying games like Pac-man and even PONG are overrated. Katamari wasn't meant to be mind-blowing or deep. It was just meant to be fun, which it definitely is.

[Corvus MacCallum]

Never had any fondness for Halo it seemed like just any average FPS without any real gimmicks to set it apart... detested the weapons, I mean in the first game you have a machinegun, or an energy machine gun, or an energy weapon that can fire like a machine gun... even the shotgun was boring and thats not how things are meant to be when tackling zombieish things. There was nothing that gripped me about it or brought me to enjoyment, even in flawed shooters like Judge Dredd or Urban Chaos : Riot Response theres more to them than just blasting grunts and that makes them fun.

Apart from 8 and 9 never really enjoyed the latter half of the Final Fantasies, even 6 got a bit trying at certain parts due purely to its level up mechanic where you can only gain stats through magicite forcing a low level play-through until you can get those chunks of stone.

Finally even though I own pretty much every game thanks to those bargain bin collections, Sonic is a series I find overrated, not the new ones, everyones caught on those are heaps of shit. I mean the old ones, looking back to the earliest titles you come across some of the most cheap and frustrating level design that was just not a fun and smooth thing to play.

[Slayer of the Rot]

For the record, Final Fantasy 11 has been really great so far. I've played a few of the older ones, the first being 8, but I'm not big on them.

[Cyrus the virus]

Edit: For the record, I have a Wii and I play Wii Sports more than I play Zelda and Tiger Woods Golf. Wii Sports is amazing.

Zelda's overrated too, if that matters. Wii Sports is vapid shit, sir. But we all like SOME stuff that isn't amazing, like my obsession with Breath of Fire III (which a lot of people don't like).

I play a lot of Halo with my friends, just because the multiplayer is fun to fuck with. I enjoyed the campaign a fair amount, too. I'm not a hardcore shooter fan, per se, but Halo on Legendary does a good job of balancing. Not always frustratingly hard, but forcing you to try.


Cyrus, I didn't play 6 for more than maybe half an hour. I did like it (because I'm more fond of the Bit RPGs than 3D ones.) But I just didn't get too into it.

Now, Katamari, I can understand your frustration with its lack of depth, but I honestly don't think that's a flaw. Because then you're saying games like Pac-man and even PONG are overrated. Katamari wasn't meant to be mind-blowing or deep. It was just meant to be fun, which it definitely is.

I find that most games that grip me within the first 30 minutes are ones that wear thing after a while. God of War II does a good job of NOT doing that. FF6 is absolutely incredible, though.

Pac-Man and Pong are overrated, for the record. Katamari was not enjoyable to me. Annoying sounds, boring gameplay, interesting music and some other stuff. It was way overworshipped for when it came out. Also, so what Okami. It's like we want to fuck the hole of any game that has some form of artistry.

You know what wasn't overrated? Shadow of the Colossus!

[Mathias]

Even though I am a hardcore Blizzard fanboy, and I do play WoW, it IS an overrated MMORPG.

Its depth is lacking. But, it just happens that most other MMORPGs suck, too.

MMOs are a good idea. Its just... nobody can really pull them off - because after a while, they get stale and stagnant. (Although, there's a free-to-play Zombie MMO coming out in January that I am looking forward to.)

EDIT:

Shadow of the Colossus IS overrated. You are absolutely right about the artistic bullshit, Cyrus. But, eh. We'll always disagree on Katamari. =P

[Cyrus the virus]

Shadow of the Colossus was not overrated, I said. I will stab you in your weak point, jerk.

I just wish the camera had been better. Besides that, it was stupendous!

[Seth_Rahl]

I fuckin' loved Okami. Every single bit of it. It had the best parts of Zelda in it and the action of Devil May Cry, so ha. Plus the fact that you fought the Nine Tales was so fucking fun I played that part over and over again.

WoW is def. overrated. People are always saying to me, "oh you should play WoW its so awesome"....ugh.
God of war 2 was cool too though. Yay decapitation.

Edit: SOTC was fun, but too short I found. They should make a sequel.

[Cyrus the virus]

Few people talk about those things when they talk about Okami. They talk about the artisticness, and all that. I wasn't terribly impressed, but it was fun.

WoW is enjoyable. Things get more fun in the later instances/raids. Massive bosses = cool beans.

[Mathias]

Raiding sucks.

And curse my dyslexia! Fuck Ico and SOTC. Fuck them so hardcore.

ALSO, I know this'll probably stick some needles.

Metal Gear Solid.

#1 is amazing. I love that game to death.

#2, 3 and all the bullshit tie-ins in between? Those suck. And I think everybody needs to stop blowing Hideo Kojima for them. Right this very instant.

[Bloodrose]

I liked Shadow of the Colossus, but that's because I borrowed it off a friend and could just hand it back to him, free of charge, when I was done with it 7 hours later.

Had I purchased the game, I might have been a bit peeved...

Overrated Vote: Titan Quest

There's a definite meh quality to that game that I could never shake.

[Cyrus the virus]

Raiding sucks.

And curse my dyslexia! Fuck Ico and SOTC. Fuck them so hardcore.

ALSO, I know this'll probably stick some needles.

Metal Gear Solid.

#1 is amazing. I love that game to death.

#2, 3 and all the bullshit tie-ins in between? Those suck. And I think everybody needs to stop blowing Hideo Kojima for them. Right this very instant.

You sucked at raiding.

MGS 3 was fantastic. Especially in Subsistence with the different camera angle option. The sniper battle was great.

[Seth_Rahl]

To cyrus: I play Ragnarok Online, so I know what you mean about massive bosses and raids and stuff. But i'd rather do that for free than pay money each month. If you can find a free sever for me to play on, Cyrus, I might give the game a try.

I never played Metal Gear Solid 1, just some of the later ones. Never got into it.

[Mathias]

No. Raiding just sucks. I did MC and BWL. That shit was not fun.

[Cyrus the virus]

Yeah, but Ragnarok is very... sketchy. It feels typical. I dunno. And $15 a month is more than reasonable for a game.

And you're talking about pre-Burning Crusade raids! To hell with that, dawg! Get'cho flying mount and murder Karazhan :p

[Bloodrose]

Metal Gear Solid was the best, simply because to defeat one of the bosses you had to unplug your controller and plug it into the Controller 2 slot so he couldn't read your mind...

Sweet.

[Lucien]

Letho's gunna' beat someone for that Metal Gear Solid comment.

[Mathias]

I actually just got keyed for Kara on Monday.

But I'm still not over-excited about it, to be honest.

[Artifex Felicis]

Ogre Battle 64 was amazing. And is about as underrated as you can get.

WoW is overrated for what it does.

City of Heroes/Villains is amazing, if only for the character creation.

DotA sucks. (you know what I mean)

Portal is underrated.

Half Life 2 is overrated. Amazing and awesome, but overrated.

Silent Hill the movie was good. Silent Hill 2 was better then the rest of the series. Resident Evil 4 was scary is you only used Handgun/Knife.

[Atzar]

Halo's multiplayer is fun. They did a good job of balancing everything. Not to say that the one that makes it to the sniper rifle can't own everybody, but it requires skill - and similarly-skilled opponents can take him out with a little care.

Anyway, my list includes...

Fable
Civilization 4
Age of Empires 3

[Lucien]

I agree with you for the most part Atzar, but Fable is not overrated. It was overhyped, yes. The way it was marketed I thought Jesus had finally arrived to wash you disgusting sinners away. But it failed in everyone's eyes and everyone hated it because it wasn't as open as promised. So, it's really more underrated now.

[Atzar]

Fair enough.

[Mathias]

Althanas is over rated.

Har har.

See what I did there?

EDIT:
Okay, seriously. Fable was overhyped. And Fable 2 is probably going to be twice as bad. Although, I'm hoping they'll actually DELIVER this time. (Luckily, though, I didn't get Fable until Lost Chapters came out. So I didn't get "gipped," like a lot of people did.)

[Empyrean]

WOW is overrated, for sure. And it saps your life away in a way that is not at all enjoyable. And Guitar Hero is REALLY overrated. Everyone in my dorm is fucking obsessed with it.


I think the newer Zelda games are overrated, but then I've always been biased, being a fan of the older games. Especially Ocarina of Time. Halo, I think, can be overrated, but I always had fun playing it.

I agree on Fable, it was another one that got too much hoopla, at least in my area.

I know a lot of people can't stand FF8, either because of the sappy love story or the junction system, but honestly....FF8 is my crack. I mostly want winter break to get here faster so I can go home and stay up into the wee hours of the morning playing it.

[Herald]

Overrated:
GUITAR HERO III
Ratchet and Clank

Underrated:
Prince of Persia
X-Men Legends
Hitman
Rome: Total War
Time Crisis

EDIT: Beat to the GH punch. Nuts.

[Atzar]

I think the newer Zelda games are overrated, but then I've always been biased, being a fan of the older games. Especially Ocarina of Time.

Twilight Princess = God. It's not necessarily difficult, but the puzzles are awesome and it's a load of fun.

And Herald, you are correct in proclaiming that Rome: Total War is excellent.

[Cyrus the virus]

Or a load of the same old shit, I guess.

[Lucien]

Rome: Total War is not underrated. It's rated perfectly where it is... It's well known to have redefined the RTS genre, and the mod community for it is huge. I'm playing a mod Koran recommended for me at the moment.

Bottom line? RTW is well known and deserves all its praise, despite a few small flaws.

Cyrus, you smell. Stop smelling.

Prince of Persia is also not underrated. Everyone and their mother screams Allah on their knees at the sight of that damned game. I didn't find anything too special about it. This is another extremely well known and well liked game, that I, personally, think gets a bit too much praise.

Oh, and I fucking love Assassin's Creed and I'll stab whoever disagrees in the balls. You'll be peeing through a tube inserted in your open urethra.

But please, I encourage open debate.

[Atzar]

You can't like any of the Mario games before 64 and after Mario Bros. 1 then, by that reasoning. They were all a remix of the same formula.

For the record, I loved those Mario games. I'm just demonstrating that a game doesn't have to be a completely revolutionary experience to be fun.

Assassin's Creed looks crazy, but I guess it's another game I'll have to admire from afar.

[Elijah_Morendale]

After playing Twilight Princess, I had to run through Ocarina of Time and Link to the Past to decide which one was my favorite of all time. I still haven't come to my decision.

But here's my overrated list (better go to the bathroom now):

Any Final Fantasy after 6
Halo (yeah, I played it when they called it Goldeneye 64, tyvm)
Metal Gear Solid 2 and on
Beyond Good and Evil (yeah, I said it)
DDR (why hasn't nobody else mentioned this?!)
Any Resident Evil before 4 (played them all except the FPS ones and Code Veronica)
God of War
Madden
Any M(o)MORPG where I have to pay $X a month in order to be allowed to play a game I already paid in full for
Starcraft (yeah, I said it again)
Call of Duty
Metroid Prime
Tekken
Soul Calibur
...and any game that's all like "hey look at me, I have uber-realistic graphics and a gritty atmosphere with lots of blood... how cool does it make me that I can say fuck?"

EDIT: Oh, thanks Lucien, I forgot to add Assassin's Creed to that list. ;)

[Lucien]

Starcraft (yeah, I said it again) Yeah. Cause as we all know, it's pretty easy for shitty games to become the national pass time of Korea.

Starcraft isn't overrated, it's revolutionary. It's blindingly fucking amazing that I still enjoy to play today, and it had a great story to boot.

EDIT: Oh yeah.

Phoenix Wright - Guess what? Law and Order + Acid + BDSM = Shit. Shit = Phoenix Wright. Thusly, Phoenix Wright = That equation above.

[Call me J]

With Madden, I think you have to be more specific in years. 2008, 2007, 2006 were all overrated. 2005 was not.

[Elijah_Morendale]

Starcraft: I played it. I beat it. I felt as if those hours could've been spent on better things.

Madden: Whatever year it was that they started to put one new feature in, call it a revolutionary addition to the game,. I think that might have been back in the PS1 era.

[Lucien]

Starcraft: I played it. I beat it. I felt as if those hours could've been spent on better things. Only things better than Starcraft?

Breathing
Food
Sex - In fact? No. Kerrigan + Raynor is all the fucking sex you'll ever fucking need.

[Mathias]

Elijah.

I'm going to hit you in the face so fucking hardcore. Beyond Good and Evil is overrated? Despite the fact that it got little to no attention? Plesae. I understand it's not a ground breaking game, but it is still good.

And StarCraft is simply the most perfect strategy game. Ever.

Until StarCraft 2 comes out.

If you disagree, well. You're just stating an opinion. I'm stating a fact.

[Elijah_Morendale]

Kerrigan was FTW material, I will concede that.

But as for the rest of it... Hold on, I think I have a heavy sigh .wav on one of my sound effects cds somewheres around here...

EDIT:

Beyond Good and Evil was a good game. I enjoyed it. It further solidified the fact that Michael Ancel is one of the few people who deserve to have their name put in front of a game's title. But was it enawesomated enough to orgasm over like all the critics did? Not in my opinion.

[Lucien]

Starcraft made the Real Time Strategy game a fucking art form of simplicity and complexity; combining both upgrade trees and tried and true tactics. Zerging? It ain't just another fucking meme.

Not to mention the map editor was incredible and spawned both roleplaying maps *that got me into roleplaying* but also intense games of diplomacy one could spend hours on, although it always ended in war.

**EDIT** And who can fucking forget battle.net!? Free online battling? A great chatting system, clans - God made Starcraft for man.

[Elijah_Morendale]

I wasn't aware that rushing to get the best units possible, make as many of them as possible, then bumrushing your opponent's hastily gathered fully-upgraded top tier units until someone says screw it and d/c's was an art form.

*Miles Edgeworth arm cross*

[Atzar]

enawesomated

*Shoots Elijah Morendale*

Alright, I'll go there. Super Mario 64 is overrated.

Tell me why it's better than Mario Sunshine. I played and beat both, and Sunshine killed it in every way imaginable... yet, 64 is regarded as one of the best games ever, while Sunshine was passed off as 'meh.' Legend of Zelda II reminds you that new gameplay doesn't always = fantastic game.

[Mathias]

Honestly, I love StarCraft's strategy aspect more than WarCraft 3's. The map editor in SC is less versatile, but more friendly. Less complicated. But still an amazing and extremely powerful tool.

To be honest, I don't even play WC3 unless I'm playing one of the AMAZING maps that people have made. WC3 in and of itself was -not- a good game, and coupled with WoW, made me realize how much I don't like WarCraft much anymore. I mean, I do still play WoW, but only because it's the MMO to play. If I could find something that was as friendly and easy to play, I probably would.

But everything else is either crap (except for EQ 2. I played a trial for the new expansion and it seems pretty good) or it's one of the free-to-play cookie cutter ones. (Trickster, Tales of Pirates, FlyFF, Fiesta, Solstice, Rappelz, Corum, etc. and freaking etc. They're crawling out of the god damn woodwork, nowadays.)

[Artifex Felicis]

Starcraft is overrated. Sheer and utter fact. Amazing game, I will say, but overrated. It's all kinda meh. Story was excellent though. I ended up liking Dawn of War a lot more.

Go, the board game, is the most perfect game of strategy ever made. and I'll argue as needed.

Um. I need a game. Hmmm.

Disgeae is underrated and any video game based on a card game is inherently sucky.

[Herald]

Madden overrated? Would you rather play Backyard Football? Madden is both 1. amazing and 2. the only real choice if you want to play good ol' American football. Unless you prefer the excessive super-ness of NFL Blitz...

DDR isn't overrated, if anything it's been overlooked in recent years with the advent of Guitar Hero, which includes a far inferior peripherial with boring, repetitious gameplay. DDR was groundbreakingly original in taking the video game experience to the next level, and is also amazing while intoxicated or just to laugh at your friends while they look like idiots. Best party game since Mario Party (an alternatively under- and over-rated game, depending on the version).

I guess I concede that R:TW and PoP aren't underrated. Maybe it's just that my friends are haters and I mistakenly thought their perspective was more universally shared. =P

EDIT: Wow, you guys posted uber-fast and my post is already out-dated. What is this, LUE or something?

EDIT 2: Backyard Sports should not be mocked, and I reprimand myself for doing so. When I was like nine-ish, they were amazing. I think I'll go play Backyard Soccer right now. One button controls ftw!

[Lucien]

You must've really sucked at Starcraft...

Because I remember disconnects..but no one did it on purpose. And a well placed defiler and a group of medics could undo any well organized army if attacked at the right time.

I really don't ever remember bothering to upgrade to the highest tier when I could take out a workforce, stealth attack with units, or generally piss people off.

[Elijah_Morendale]

"Go, the board game, is the most perfect game of strategy ever made. and I'll argue as needed." -Artifex

I hope you're talking about Risk.

[Atzar]

I hope he's not. Australia killed any possibility that Risk was a good strategy game. If you owned Australia, you couldn't lose.

[Herald]

Wait, wait, wait...Risk is considered a strategy game since when? I love it, but strategy? Please.

EDIT: I'm going to have to live with the knowledge that I type ridiculously slowly for the rest of my life. Also, Risk 2202 or whatever it was...that was good. But that's a bit off-topic I suppose. Now the Risk video game I heard was craptastic.

[Artifex Felicis]

Super Mario RPG 2 Paper mario was overrated. IT had its moment, but couldn't stand up to the official sequal.

Bioshock is only overrated when compared to System Shock 2.

And I mean go. As in, the little black stones and white stones on a 19 by 19 grid.

[Atzar]

Die. Paper Mario was the shit. On the other hand, I never really got into Super Mario RPG.

And I mean "die" in the friendliest, most peaceful way possible.

[Elijah_Morendale]

Ahhh, yes... Go.

"I hope he's not. Australia killed any possibility that Risk was a good strategy game. If you owned Australia, you couldn't lose."

Incorrect, my friend. It's just a matter of Starcrafting yourself a massive army then giving it all you got.

[Herald]

Risk has about as much strategy involved as a game of craps or selo.

Not like Warcraft 3, which is better than Starcraft imho only because of the hero units and rpg-esque elements to levelling them.

[Lucien]

Well, yeah. It's exactly that. In a land where strategy doesn't exist. That's exactly what it's like.

Can't you just admit you didn't actually use tactics *or never learned any because you were too busy insulting the game you were playing* during Starcraft? Maybe not make up what you will hope will be a meme?

EDIT: That was to WRONG GUY

Herald, WC3 had no real strategy to it. That was a game where you rushed to get the strongest unit. Heroes really. Marines could be extremely powerful late game with the right upgrade. Ghouls were great for tree cutting.

[Mathias]

Heh. I actually lol'd at the "Starcrafting yourself an army," part.

>.>

[Artifex Felicis]

Just a side note, but I think I'll stab myself if a Meme ever comes from Althanas.

Also, I hold Warcraft and Starcraft in a small amount of contempt. Mostly because of their rabid fanboys.

[Elijah_Morendale]

Strategy wasn't needed in the single-player campaign. Therefore I didn't use it.

And to get any jokes out of the way, I never played online because I didn't/don't/never will have any friends.

Therefore, for what I played, it was overrated.

EDIT

"Mostly because of their rabid fanboys."

Yeah, they have a good way of mucking up the works. Under normal circumstances, I would've personally murdered anyone who mentioned Mario or Zelda in a negative way, but I'm keeping myself in check for the sake of being objective.

[Lucien]

Almost as rabid as the fanboys for The Greatful Dead?

Yeah, lets be honest. If you're hating a game based solely on the merits of the community that plays it, you're not being remotely fair.

And if you suck at the game, you should be wiped from the Earth the the impure blooded shall be. I lead the final solution of Starcraft fans.

[Atzar]

Ahhh, yes... Go.

"I hope he's not. Australia killed any possibility that Risk was a good strategy game. If you owned Australia, you couldn't lose."

Incorrect, my friend. It's just a matter of Starcrafting yourself a massive army then giving it all you got.

There was a single access point to Australia. Since your opponent can only kill one of your pieces per turn and you can regenerate more than one piece each turn, it was therefore impossible for you to lose if you hold Australia.

I win.

[Artifex Felicis]

Fanboys of the Grateful Dead aren't rabid. A little spacey, overweight, and maybe high, but not rabid.

MCR Fanboys are more dangerous. all that blood from slitting their wrists makes the room slippery.

Some games though that is understandable. Starcraft has an excellent 1 player, I got got by being raped online.

Warcraft had an alright one, but the custum maps (Yay Tower Defense) were fun, so I survived. Wasn't fun at times, but meh.

WoW sucked overall. As did most other MMORPGS I tried.

Also, I try not to play Halo because of the community on it, if that matters. their voices hurt my ears.

[Elijah_Morendale]

"There was a single access point to Australia. Since your opponent can only kill one of your pieces per turn and you can regenerate more than one piece each turn, it was therefore impossible for you to lose if you hold Australia."

What rules are you playing by?

[Atzar]

...The normal rules?

[Elijah_Morendale]

Like the ones I'm holding in my hand?

"The player with the higher die roll wins. The loser removes a unit from the battleground. This unit has been defeated. Put the"--blah blah blah skip ahead. "When the battle is all over, all remains units return to their respective territories--but don't worry, you may send them immediately back into battle."

Therefore, you can kill as many units as you damn well please, granted that you have enough to back up the excursion into pommeyland--which I did.

[Lucien]

Like the ones I'm holding in my hand?

"The player with the higher die roll wins. The loser removes a unit from the battleground. This unit has been defeated. Put the"--blah blah blah skip ahead. "When the battle is all over, all remains units return to their respective territories--but don't worry, you may send them immediately back into battle."

Therefore, you can kill as many units as you damn well please, granted that you have enough to back up the excursion into pommeyland--which I did. What?

[Atzar]

That "you may send them immediately back into battle" clause isn't in my book. Whatever. It's not important. Even with that clause in effect, Australia is still a defensive heaven that requires at least six successful attacks in one turn to breach.

[Reiko]

Kingdom Hearts: I love JRPGs but this one is really just a so so platformer that would be better without the fragmented plot that just doesn't seem good enough for a Saturday morning cartoon that is doomed to cancellation. I really hated the mix of Disney and FF, it's like peanut butter and sushi, they don't mix and the pay check VA's don't help, you can almost hear the actors groan: "This is soo stupid". Not to mention most the stories are rehashes of Disney movies.

[Elijah_Morendale]

Well, I did pick up the latest version of Risk, which admittedly has a couple rules changes. They probably added the multiple attack turns clause to shorten the game from three weeks to six hours.

[Ashiakin]

I hope he's not. Australia killed any possibility that Risk was a good strategy game. If you owned Australia, you couldn't lose.

That really isn't true. Australia can be useful in a game with only two or three people playing, but anymore than that and it'll really show that it's a double-edged sword. Holding Australia makes people hate you because you'll be sitting there hording troops. You don't really have anywhere to move to because taking Asia from Australia can be a nightmare. If/when someone gets a better bonus than you or cashes in enough cards, they'll know right where to hit you too (since Australia only has one entrance, dunno what drugs Elijah's rules are smoking.) Australia is good in theory, but if it's all you got then other people's paranoia is likely to kill you.

... Also to stay on topic, I really have to add to the chorus of Halo. I haven't played 3, but 1 and 2 I just found to be boring and overrated. They were decent shooters, but not a reason to go out and buy an X-box.

[Atzar]

Hahaha. I didn't say you could win with Australia. I just said you couldn't lose. That, in the end, is what ruins the strategy of the game. Stalemates are even less fun than losing.

[Elijah_Morendale]

I'd also like to add Chrono Cross to my list.

[Herald]

Risk 2202 solves the Austrailia nightmare by making it accessible from an alternative route - Madagascar via the new waterways. Also the commanders and their powers are amazing, as is colonizing the moon.

If they made a Risk 2202 videogame, it would NOT be overrated.

[Elijah_Morendale]

Risk 2202... Totally forgot about that.

Thanks, you just gave me my Christmas wish list.

[Rajani Aishwara]

Kingdom Hearts - Disney is the Devil that game was just a voilence packed episode of the House of Mouse. All the villains and heroes in one place kickin ass.

Halo - I'll give credit where credit's due. The loose and simple controls make for a more agile but solid feel. Before Halo I felt like I was either slow as hell or there was no gravity in FPS games. Here's why I consider it overrated. I, as an intelligent observer of human action have to point out that consumers are fucking stupid. They'd much rather play a shallow FPS instead of a story driven game that forces them to look at life differently, or a good strategy game that forces them to think differently. Once again, I'll repeat. Consumers are fucking idiots. Just like the best movies will never break box office records, the best games will never beat Halo in sales. Fucking idiots.

World of Warcraft - all MMO's that charge you money are bad for your pocket and your health. Instead of living a well balance life to the fullest, WoW fanboys are worried about the money they're loosing every moment they're away form their computer. And don't tell me that's not how it goes. I know plenty of them.

Command & Conquer - Starcraft was better.

[Cyrus the virus]

I hope he's not. Australia killed any possibility that Risk was a good strategy game. If you owned Australia, you couldn't lose.

Australia is literally the worst strategy to go for in the game.


There was a single access point to Australia. Since your opponent can only kill one of your pieces per turn and you can regenerate more than one piece each turn, it was therefore impossible for you to lose if you hold Australia.

I win.

Okay, so obviously some people don't know to play Risk. I've been playing since I was 8, and play at least a dozen games every holiday season, and we often replace our set and with them come new rules. In every incarnation of Risk in the universe, you may attack as many times as you choose from one territory to another. You can attack over and over again, until you have a single remaining troop or you win. If you win, you can move all but one troop into your new territory and carry on as you were doing.

If you're playing where you can only attack once per turn, I cannot possibly imagine that you read the rules or played with anyone who had ever played before. This is insane to me, because I'm one of those assholes who create arguments when people bend rules in Risk or Monopoly.

The best strategy is to take North America and hold it for at least three turns. Then you've won, barring some really terrible rolls.

SO

Umjammer Lammy was overrated.

[Red Lightning]

Chrono Cross sucked ass, but its predecessor had me by my metaphorical and literal balls. I love that game so much that we got married and before that had a bastard child that somehow got published in reality called Chrono cross. Ugh, damn that thing was ugly.....xD

[Atzar]

Australia is literally the worst strategy to go for in the game.



Okay, so obviously some people don't know to play Risk. I've been playing since I was 8, and play at least a dozen games every holiday season, and we often replace our set and with them come new rules. In every incarnation of Risk in the universe, you may attack as many times as you choose from one territory to another. You can attack over and over again, until you have a single remaining troop or you win. If you win, you can move all but one troop into your new territory and carry on as you were doing.

If you're playing where you can only attack once per turn, I cannot possibly imagine that you read the rules or played with anyone who had ever played before. This is insane to me, because I'm one of those assholes who create arguments when people bend rules in Risk or Monopoly.

The best strategy is to take North America and hold it for at least three turns. Then you've won, barring some really terrible rolls.

SO

Umjammer Lammy was overrated.

Not once per turn. Once per turn per territory. That's how I'd interpreted the rules. I know I'm not the only one, either.

[Cyrus the virus]

You interpreted them wrong, bud, and so did whoever else told you similar.

You can even halt your attack, attack elsewhere on the map, and come back to your original assault (say, if you're feeling luckier with your rolls) before your turn ends.

Considering that in the later stages of the game, you'll get dozens of militia per turn and can put them anywhere you like, it would be ridiculous for the game makers to have the rule set that way.

Sorry to be an anus about it, but I'm a rule nazi especially in Risk.

[Lucien]

So, uh...Risk isn't a videogame? Can we all phish]shut the fuck up[/phish] agree on that?

Manhunt is overhyped, overrated, and needs to die.

Grand Theft Auto got shitty after 3, San Andreas was pretty coo' though.

[Dissinger]

Command & Conquer - Starcraft was better.

Command and Conquer was first.

Now, are you talking the ORIGINAL command and Conquer, or C&C3? I feel that after Red Alert 2 the series started to go stale, but up till then it was a solid franchise. Especially with C&C Generals. I'm sorry but C&C was NEVER about upgrades, your troops were always the best they could be, what made them different was how you accessed them, by going up the tech tree.

You had two options.

Floods of shitty troops.

Or a few of the more powerful, and it was BALANCED. If you built right even the tank rush strategy was hosed.

A simple pillbox destroyed the engineer rush because as soon as they left the APC they were instant gibbed.

THATS what made C&C worth it.

Starcraft merely expanded on what Westwood began.

[Bleater]

Final Fantasy VII goddamn it. Easily the most overrated game ever.
Though the Halo series isn't far behind.

And I'm glad Cyrus said Katamari, because I was hoping I wasn't the only one who had the sense to realize that those games are a load of crap.

Also, I've got to be the one to say it: Mega Man. News flash: it's Metroid with a lot less depth and only one direction of scroll. And yet people have developed a cult like following for the series.

And I'll go as far as to hit another one people considered hallowed ground: Mortal Kombat. It was an incredibly poor fighting engine that hasn't really improved a lot since the first, (what, you can actually block and sidestep now? Amazing!) and survived pretty much sheerly on violence.

[Lucien]

I'm agreeing with Bleater 100% of Mortal Kombat. It is, by far, the klunkiest game I've ever played. The kontrols disgust me and there is no fluid motion.

But, you kan kreate your own fatality now. So that makes up for poor gameplay.

[Call me J]

I disagree on Mortal Kombat. The violence and gore more than made up for the poor gameplay. I really liked having the option of finishing opponents. I found it capitivating kaptivating.

[Mathias]

Mortal Kombat 1 is a great game. Mortal Kombat 2 is an okay game. Mortal Kombat 3 is a kind of good game. Mortal Kombat everything else is just repetitive bullshit. It's been like, 12 years, and they still haven't done a good deal of work on the original formula, which was GOOD for Mortal Kombat 1. NOT good for Mortal Kombat Fifty One and a Half.

[Elijah_Morendale]

They should've put Stryker and Cyrax in MK2 and quit there. I lurves me some MK2 first thing in the morning, though.

And the create a fatality BLOWS, even if a kick to the nuts is one of the options to combo with.

[Sorahn]

I dunno if this has been mentioned yet, but I sincerely doubt it.

Bioshock.

This game got some of the best ratings ever for its groundbreaking gameplay with a mix of FPS and RPG. Okay, it does have really really good graphics, and the voice acting is fantastic, and the story is amazing. But when it comes right down to it, the game isn't fun. They overcomplicated everything and gave you all these options and stuff. I mean you have guns, but all the guns can be upgraded, and you have plasmids, but not just the weapon plasmids, you have upgrades for like 4 different categories and then there's all the hacking stuff. Plus everything has to be bought with money that you have to dig around everywhere to find. It's just annoying.

I think a lot of the new games are going this way. They're focusing on impressive visuals and captivating stories and sacrificing gameplay. Games are supposed to be fun to play. If they fail at that they fail as a game, IMO. One of my favorite games was on PS1, called "Einhander". It was set in the future and the moon was at war with the earth. You're a suicide pilot from the moon, go do damage to the earth. That's it. That's the story. But the game was really really fun.

Anyway, on top of that I also think Halo is overrated. Not because Halo is a bad game, actually I think it's pretty good. But it's like everyone says it's the best game ever made and everyone plays it and I'm just sick of hearing people talk about it.

So yeah.

[Reiko]

I dunno if this has been mentioned yet, but I sincerely doubt it.

Bioshock.

This game got some of the best ratings ever for its groundbreaking gameplay with a mix of FPS and RPG. Okay, it does have really really good graphics, and the voice acting is fantastic, and the story is amazing. But when it comes right down to it, the game isn't fun. They overcomplicated everything and gave you all these options and stuff. I mean you have guns, but all the guns can be upgraded, and you have plasmids, but not just the weapon plasmids, you have upgrades for like 4 different categories and then there's all the hacking stuff. Plus everything has to be bought with money that you have to dig around everywhere to find. It's just annoying.

I think a lot of the new games are going this way. They're focusing on impressive visuals and captivating stories and sacrificing gameplay. Games are supposed to be fun to play. If they fail at that they fail as a game, IMO. One of my favorite games was on PS1, called "Einhander". It was set in the future and the moon was at war with the earth. You're a suicide pilot from the moon, go do damage to the earth. That's it. That's the story. But the game was really really fun.

Anyway, on top of that I also think Halo is overrated. Not because Halo is a bad game, actually I think it's pretty good. But it's like everyone says it's the best game ever made and everyone plays it and I'm just sick of hearing people talk about it.

So yeah.

heh, guess you never played System Shock 2 the game that inspired Bioshock. Imagine playing that and having to upgrade use the adom to upgrade your gun skills to use the tommy gun.

I'm going to say the Zelda series is overrated. They're decent games but the exploration wasn't really rewarding and the plots were trite and redundant. Saving the Princess is getting old and Gannon is no longer threatening and Link is the most boring hero ever.

[Vampiric Angel]

I have just realized, after reading this thread...that I must love crap. With the way you guys are explaining all these games that molded my childhood, you leave me thinking that I have been mistaken in my beliefs of what the term 'good game' means. Everyone looks back at games like FF7 and Super Mario 64 and proclaims that they weren't that good. What you have yet to remember in this thread, is that, the games themselves (storyline, gameplay, etc.) aren't the only reason their great. It was the impact both technologically and emotionally that leaves the imprint in our minds.

For example, FF7 was great because: at that time, had you seen a more beautiful game? Did you witness another game transfer from CG to in-game graphics so fluidly? Or hear a more epic soundtrack? The battle system, story and whatnot was further icing on the cake.

P.S. - In my personal opinion, FFXI is an MMORPG worthy of your time.

[Herald]

So, uh...Risk isn't a videogame? Can we all phish]shut the fuck up[/phish] agree on that?

Risk is a videogame, and it was terrible. I don't know what the "ratings" were to say whether it was overrated, but it probably was.

Also, Street Fighter. Similar to MK, anything after like the third was just bad. Also, Street Fighter: The Movie, the only videogame to be based on a movie that was based on a game, sucked. As a series, overrated and beaten by Marvel vs Capcom.

[Vampiric Angel]

Risk is a videogame, and it was terrible. I don't know what the "ratings" were to say whether it was overrated, but it probably was.

Also, Street Fighter. Similar to MK, anything after like the third was just bad. Also, Street Fighter: The Movie, the only videogame to be based on a movie that was based on a game, sucked. As a series, overrated and beaten by Marvel vs Capcom.

There wouldn't be a fighter genre of games if Street Fighter hadn't been made. It was the progenitor. I bet you could ask every game developer that makes fighting games and ask them what their inspirations are and one of the first games they'll tell you is Street Fighter.

[Herald]

Hence the clause, "after the third." Street Fighter II caused me endless hours of grief as my friends repeatedly kicked my ass, but it was fun as hell. They should have quit while they were ahead.

EDIT: I wouldn't mind not having a fighter genre. Played one or two, and you've played them all.

[Vampiric Angel]

But you also said the series was overrated. When you take the series on, you can't exclude the good games, you take it as a whole. And refer to my last post in response to Marvel vs Capcom.

[BlackAndBlueEyes]

"There wouldn't be a fighter genre of games if Street Fighter hadn't been made. It was the progenitor. I bet you could ask every game developer that makes fighting games and ask them what their inspirations are and one of the first games they'll tell you is Street Fighter."

Yie Ar Kung-Fu did it first. Street Fighter only improved on the formula.






King of Fighters perfected it.

[Herald]

Er, the series is still overrated, and Marvel vs Capcom is still better...

Well, according to me, anyway.

[BlackAndBlueEyes]

Street Fighter is overrated, yes.

Dan Hibiki and Rainbow Mika were the only two good things to come out of it.

[Lucien]

Okay, let me spell this out for you.

The precursor doesn't mean it's the best. Just because Street Fight popularized the fighting genre doesn't mean it can't be overrated.

And, before we all get as defensive as I did with Starcraft, Vampiric *what size do you want those cement shoes, Elijah?* we're not calling those games crap. We're saying they're overrated. That they have been givin' too much fucking credit. It could be shit, it could be pretty fucking awesome, but it's the constant fellatio that people put upon these games that makes them overrated.

Also, Kingdom Hearts wasn't about gameplay. It was about my constant masturbation to Sora in Kingdom Hearts 2, and wishful need to masturbate to him in KH 1. I've yet to beat the second because I'm too busy beating myself everytime I see that hot young, LEGAL I MAY ADD, Keyblade master.

[Reiko]

well truth be told that any game where someone goes "this game is the best (insert Genre)" can be called overrated. And any decent game can be put on it then^^

[Cyrus the virus]

(what, you can actually block and sidestep now? Amazing!)

When could you not block? Press R.


P.S. - In my personal opinion, FFXI is an MMORPG worthy of your time.

Oh yeah, I love losing EXP when I die. And I love that each job class has a specific role and can pretty much never stray from it. Oh, and never being able to solo, that's a lot of fun.

I remember waiting an hour for a party, just so I could farm experience. Profound waste of time.

Also, certain job classes are pretty much worthless and avoided at high levels. And low ones. The game needs to be better balanced.

[Corvus MacCallum]

Should just nail this thread into its coffin, maybe go with a thread thats got a much better and less negative idea of things, the underrated games.

[The Writing Writer]

I play just about all types of games and enjoy them all. Yes, I am a Halo fan. Not because of the story or because I think it's ground breaking or w/e, but because of the feeling I get when me and about 12 buddies have 3 xbox's in the house, 3 teams of four, and I send a rocket crashing into a Warthog filled to the brim with my buddies in the other room. " Triple Kill " Then I proceed to run into the other room, point, laugh, and go back to playing. That's why I like Halo.

Now for the bashing. World of Warcraft is possibly the most overrated game ever. The gameplay it'self its just no fun. World of Walking they should call it. And I personally have a problem with any game where how good you are in PvP is determined by which items you have. City of Heroes/Villains is just a much better MMORPG. Being good in PvP takes real skill.

Edit: And yeah, I like the Kingdom Hearts series.

[Cyrus the virus]

Now for the bashing. World of Warcraft is possibly the most overrated game ever. The gameplay it'self its just no fun. World of Walking they should call it. And I personally have a problem with any game where how good you are in PvP is determined by which items you have. City of Heroes/Villains is just a much better MMORPG. Being good in PvP takes real skill.

Oh yeah, I love spending time getting new gear to get no benefits from it. Having good gear doesn't make you good, unless you have some ridiculous shit. In which case you deserve to be that much out of someone's league.

And really, you've done ZERO pvp if you think it's that gear-dependent.

lol @ City of Heroes, though. I love going into the same buildings to complete the same objectives all freaking day.

[Kovalai]

The gameplay in city of heroes gets really, really redundant a lot faster than wow does, I think. SOE games are just...redundant. I think they just go too slow, and there's too few ways to really do anything different from everyone else. Or something. I played city of heroes for a while, and eventually just didn't feel like turning it on again. Same thing with everquest 2, I played it for a while until one day I realized "wait a second...this game isn't even fun! What am I doing?"

Now, world of warcraft... I played wow from the week it came out till about six months ago. There were a few periods on and off where I just stopped, and eventually got back into it, but not this last time. Because you're right, it does have problems, it can take to long to get around, people are really focused on just getting more better gear, and whatever. I decided I beat the game, sure, there's different gear, better stuff, other specs, other raids, but really, it's the same gameplay, and you can only do the same thing over and over for so long before you decide you'd rather spend your time on an RP forum doing creative writing =P

[Cyrus the virus]

Wrath of the Lich-King coming up, eh? :D Mwahaha.

Though really, I think I'd die if I had to play any class besides my rogue. I have tons of alts, but they all suck.

[Dissinger]

Wrath of the Lich-King coming up, eh? :D Mwahaha.

Though really, I think I'd die if I had to play any class besides my rogue. I have tons of alts, but they all suck.

/cast flare
/cast bestial wrath
/cast intimidate
/cast dead cyrus's sexy naked body

[Cyrus the virus]

I've never lost to a hunter. Most of you noobs don't even know how to play your class in pvp, it's hilarious.

Oh no I'm shot.
*stabs hunter once*
Oh look I won.

Very rare I come across a hunter who doesn't suck butt. They use their little mongoose move (which sucks) and think they can go toe-to-toe in melee. Foolz.

[Reiko]

MMOs are just games that have gameplay that's too dull for single player so they go massively multiplayer and charge a monthly fee. they're really just a scam, all of them.

[Vampiric Angel]

I've never lost to a hunter. Most of you noobs don't even know how to play your class in pvp, it's hilarious.

Oh no I'm shot.
*stabs hunter once*
Oh look I won.

Very rare I come across a hunter who doesn't suck butt. They use their little mongoose move (which sucks) and think they can go toe-to-toe in melee. Foolz.

I'm there with you, Cyrus. My main's a rogue and he kicks major ass. Hunters that don't know how to play their class have to realize that their best tactic is to kite, plain and simple. I just think it's fun when another rogue, with much better gear than me, comes running up and tries to take me out, then I just show him how much he just fucked up.

lol I've always wanted to remember these rogue's realms and make a char. on there, just to tell them they cost 28 copper.

[Cyrus the virus]

Course, if I was still a dagger/assassination rogue, I'd be smoked all the time if I didn't catch someone by surprise. So glad I respecced.

Make a WoW thread :p

[Tensa Amaterasu]

Have never played world of warcraft, but I'm gonna say that its overrated. So is Final Fantasy 11. Twelve wasn't all that bad, and 7 and 9 were pretty decent as well. I especially loved the storyline behind seven and twelve: 9's seemed a little forced to me, and Eight and Ten's made me gag.

Games I think are overrated:

Any army-shooting game
Naruto Games
Dynasty Warriors--all of 'em. Good concept, bad execution.
Halo
Halo 2
And probably Halo 3.
Turok, up until this latest one.
Rock Band
Final Fantasy Tactics--I like the GBA version better.
Guitar Hero 3--I really do like the franchise, except this latest one I was very disappointed with. Guitar Hero and GH2 were revolutionary: This one, however, was not.
And the GBA/DS pokemon' games. Pokemon was cool back when it first hit the origianal GB, but now it just sucks. I am ashamed to say that I've played them.

[The Writing Writer]

Oh yeah, I love spending time getting new gear to get no benefits from it. Having good gear doesn't make you good, unless you have some ridiculous shit. In which case you deserve to be that much out of someone's league.

And really, you've done ZERO pvp if you think it's that gear-dependent.

lol @ City of Heroes, though. I love going into the same buildings to complete the same objectives all freaking day.



Well they've actually been implementing alot of new features so the Missions aren't as repetative. But the pvp is alot of fun. That's the only reason I paly it anymore is for the PvP. Nothin like playin a Master Mind, all my pets are invisible, heroes think " Petless MM? Free win for me. " Then ofcourse they attack and I trap with web nade and the pets destroy em. Fun stuff.

[Bleater]

Have never played world of warcraft, but I'm gonna say that its overrated. So is Final Fantasy 11.

I'd honesty say FFXI is as far from overrated as it gets, as anyone who's played it (and even people who still do) will tell you how much of a toilet of a game it can be. (see Cyrus' earlier comment). How can it be overrated if so many people rip on it?

Hell, I hated it in retrospect after 2 1/2 years of playing it and I was even primarily a Blue Mage: one of the only two jobs in the game that could feasibly solo. That's got to tell you something if even a job who doesn't have to sit mindlessly for hours on end waiting for XP parties still gets annoying.

[Cyrus the virus]

Have never played world of warcraft, but I'm gonna say that its overrated.

You're an idiot.


Final Fantasy Tactics--I like the GBA version better.

A big one.

;) I'm just bugging you, though. Obviously you're not an idiot for having opinions (even if they suck).

[Sonata]

WoW is very hit or miss I've realized. There's the drooling fanboys of it, and those who would castrate anyone who likes it. I tend to not like it, but I base this off the fact it just got really boring or me.

So WoW is OVER-rated. Still pretty good, but MMORPGS aren't my cup of tea.

[Seth_Rahl]

You're an idiot.



A big one.

;) I'm just bugging you, though. Obviously you're not an idiot for having opinions (even if they suck).

Its okay Cyrus, I forgive you. And yes, everyone's entitled to their own suck opinions. I was wondering if anyone would notice...

[Messenger]

Let's see the one that pop right up in my mind are

WOW (boring, I would only recommend playing this game if your stuck on house arrest cause this waste a lot of time)
Halo Series (Gets old quickly)
Guitar Hero Series (Ridiculously stupid)
Rock Band (Wow Guitar hero meets karaoke revolution....kill me)
BioShock (Should have been a release game not a mid-release)
Orange Box (Why????)
Gears of War (Im still tying to deiced if the dynamics for this game were easier than guitar hero's)

[Saxon]

Games I think are overrated:

Turok, up until this latest one.

You're one picky person, bub. I grew up on Turok, its a wonderful series. Maybe I'm just old-fashioned that way, but shooting a raptor in the face with a shotgun always makes me smile. ;)

[Lucien]

Nothing is True. Everything is Permitted. So, you don't think Assassin's Creed is overrated I see.

[Messenger]

So, you don't think Assassin's Creed is overrated I see.

It could have been better, I'm into the Crusades and stuff like that which is the reason why I like it. I was a little disappointed with the story and it was way to short it kinda felt like a really long Demo. I give it a 9/10

[Corvus MacCallum]

I can tell from that rating your very harsh disappointment...

Turok I wouldn't call an overrated series because it never did all that immensely in reviews, it was a blasting game for gore cursed with a terrible frame-rate (trying playing Turok 2 in PAL with the machine pistol, you can get about 2 frames every five seconds).

[Sighter Tnailog]

*Shoots Elijah Morendale*

Alright, I'll go there. Super Mario 64 is overrated.

Tell me why it's better than Mario Sunshine. I played and beat both, and Sunshine killed it in every way imaginable... yet, 64 is regarded as one of the best games ever, while Sunshine was passed off as 'meh.' Legend of Zelda II reminds you that new gameplay doesn't always = fantastic game.

I've said it before and I've said it again. I just got bored with that fucking water pump.

You see, here's the thing. When I play games, I'm a bit OCD. In Age of Empires II, I could rule the roost because I knew how to hit gold piles hard and fast, clean the world of natural resources, establish chokepoints at key locations, and all that stuff, because I'm a bit OCD when it comes to games...if I do something, I like to do it right.

And so what bothered me about Sunshine was ALL THAT TERRIBLE PAINT. You had to clean it up EVERY TIME YOU ENTERED A LEVEL. And then there were ALL THOSE PLANTS RUNNING AROUND IN THE STREETS. I'm sorry, Mario platformers are supposed to feel like Mario is the only good guy alive within the known universe, with an occasionally Toad or friendly penguin race. Unless it's an RPG, I fucking DO NOT WANT TO RUN AROUND IN A TOWN OF OTHER PEOPLE. They just get in my way.

And it was all...bouncy. I don't know. I'm getting tired of wonderful game graphics, metallic edges, bright colors. Mario needs to fucking grow up.

[Corvus MacCallum]

So, something like this then heh.

Its gone hardcore. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/zero2015/mariovsbowser-color-final.jpg)

[Sighter Tnailog]

Not necessarily. Growing up doesn't mean Peach has to die and Mario has to become an angry anti-hero.

I think Super Mario RPG perfectly encapsulates what I mean by growing up. It's still kind of cartoony, still a bit hippie and optimistic at places, but there is an emotional depth in some ways (especially with Bowser, Geno, and Mallow) that, while not necessarily earth-shattering, gives the game a feeling of being more than just "OMG we've been attacked by a piranha plant who is p'oed because someone gave him a titty twister."

Paper Mario and related works do an okay job with this by introducing new ways to play -- the shady wrestling sequence and the murder on the train sequence of PM2 were particularly fun to do -- but it still loses something of the character development done in SMRPG. Bowser, for instance, is reduced to a loony, petulant caricature of what had become a more subtle and mature character by the end of SMRPG.

It's almost as if they replaced their development staff with Hello Kitty marketers or something. And I'd also agree with what's being said about Zelda: Twilight Princess. Don't get me wrong, the game had me hooked and I loved to play it for a while, but it really wore thin after a while. It felt like a refreshingly good, true sequel to Ocarina of Time: not a bad thing at all, but hardly a new game in its own right. And part of what the Zelda series had done a great job with -- especially in Link to the Past and the two Oracle gameboy color games -- was the idea of moving between different worlds to solve puzzles. I felt like the Twilight in Twilight Princess was just sort of tacked on to it, and didn't actually play a truly significant role. The whole point of having a wolf just seemed to me to be some sort of obscure reference to Japanese folklore or something like that, not an actual integral part to the gameplay, and the "howling" they included was far from the widespread use of music found in Ocarina and others.

It just feels like Nintendo, a company I've been supporting for a long time, needs to freshen up its repertoire. But then again, I haven't played Galaxies yet. From all I'm hearing, it should be amazing, but my gut feeling is that it could well be just another elaborate set-up for disappointment.

[Doomsday]

Sighter nailed Nintendo on the head. SMRPG's not a Nintendo game, it's a square soft game when the company was at it's best. I don't play Nintendo games anymore, they need to grow up and you have to buy a console just for their games and to me it's not worth it.

The Wii must be the most overrated console ever made. Not that it's bad but it's not that great and people claim it's the only true next gen console, I think it was Will Write. And Really all the new console are innovative in different ways and sometimes it's great to just have a great system and let the game makers to be innovative.

[Bullet Witch]

Sighter, you will be dissapointed if you think it is amazing before playing it. Believe me. A friend of mine owns a Wii and the game, and let me play for a little bit while he was working on the computer.

After ten minutes I switched to the Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (btw, I agree w/ Sighter that while it was great game, its bassically just the same stuff recycled and portrayed as new crap), the Wii version. Mind you, I know that ten minutes is not enough time to get a good enough judgement on the game, so later that night I forced myself to play for an hour.

Its just mario in space, bassically. Same set up, found the controls a little awkward. While the addition of new powers made it appealing at first, the fact that they don't play enough of a role in the game and that they aren't permanent (ie time limit for fire flower and ice step FTW???) made me stop playing after the the forced hour and never touch that game again.

I personally loved Paper Mario though, especially when the first one came out. And does anyone remember that SNES rpg of mario? That was fun too. But heck, unless Mario gets franchised into a fighting game (I classify Super Smash Bros into "brawler rpg") or real action adventure, I doubt i'll be seeing the plumber jumping down long, hard tubes in my future.

Edits: Ninja'd and I just realized that you were talking about the RPG beforehand. xP My bad.

[Elijah_Morendale]

Sighter, a couple things.

First, take my word for it: Galaxies is set up and plays almost exactly like SM64. It takes a while getting used to running upside down on planets, but after that first hour or so it almost feels like second nature.

Second, keep in mind that while SMRPG and PM both had Mario in it, they were made by two completely different companies--Squaresoft and Intelligent Systems. Square was just coming off of FF6 and Chrono Trigger, and they were both games with some serious story elements. SMRPG kind of felt like Mario getting trapped in a FF game (Culex. Need I say more?) Oh, I absolutely loved that game, and I believe that Geno deserves his place in Smash Brothers Brawl. But Intelligent Systems--especially with the art style--was going more for the light-hearted and in-joke riddled approach. You just had to approach both games as if they weren't sequels at all.

And I consider Super Paper Mario to be one of the funniest games of all time.

[The Scourge]

I did not play PM with the expectation of a sequel to SMRPG (although I will say that it pissed me off that Nintendo marketed it as such), but did find ways to enjoy it in its own right. In their own special way, the Paper series did incredible things with gaming techniques and the way people approach world-building and conceptualization within games.

What I'm saying, though, is they did so by adhering to design approaches that soften the edges of the game environment, Nintendo is playing it safe; and playing it safe does not lead to innovation. And while a big part of this is related to the hemorrhaging of studios that Nintendo had enjoyed partnerships with for decades (something which is starting to reverse course with the Wii's success), another part of it is related to Nintendo's approach of just making a bunch of games with the same canned characters over and over again.

I think the Wii is the most innovative of the next-generations, and I think Nintendo has really been on the very cutting edge of how games are played (absent MMORPGs, but I don't think MMORPGs are all that innovative, they just allow you to play video games with people you probably wouldn't find all that compelling to know in real life, like playing multiplayer with friends only you don't really have any friends). But they really need to find ways to mesh the content of their games with the innovation that they regularly do in other areas of game production.

[BlackAndBlueEyes]

Oh, and...

"Mario needs to fucking grow up."

Three words: Shadow the Hedgehog.


Yeah, we all know how well that went over.

[Reiko]

Oh, and...

"Mario needs to fucking grow up."

Three words: Shadow the Hedgehog.


Yeah, we all know how well that went over.

ugh, well none of the sonic franchise games were any good lately, that doesn't count.

[Whiteshadow]

Here's my solution: Put mario with that water thingy from Sunshine in one of the Silent Hill games and see how it works out.

Mario: Mama mia--HOLY SHIT IT HAS NO ARMS!!!
StraightJacket: Aaaaghahahjflsjfjashsdfg! (Translation: Oh my God, someone please scratch my back!!)
Pyramid Head:...*slowly disects mario piece by piece*

See? A solution! ^^

[The Writing Writer]

Here's my solution: Put mario with that water thingy from Sunshine in one of the Silent Hill games and see how it works out.

Mario: Mama mia--HOLY SHIT IT HAS NO ARMS!!!
StraightJacket: Aaaaghahahjflsjfjashsdfg! (Translation: Oh my God, someone please scratch my back!!)
Pyramid Head:...*slowly disects mario piece by piece*

See? A solution! ^^

*shudders*


Anyway, i can't believe I didn't bring this up earlier. Did anyone play Def Jam: Fight for New York? That was actually a very very enjoyable fighting game and I think it deserved more credit.

[BlackAndBlueEyes]

AKI always made a great brawler. WWF No Mercy is my favorite game by them.

[Wolftrappe]

World of Warcraft. Well,all MMORPGS, really.

[Ther]

I'll join the choir and say that the two most overrated games I've played are Final Fantasy 7 (I find its characters dull) and World of Warcraft (which feels more like a job than a game).

[Koran]

Final Fantasy 1 through "until they finally decide to stop killing an already dead dog" is overrated, because its the same damn story line, same damn universe, same damn spells and crap, just... different. How is it different if it's all exactly the same?!

Halo is overrated to the extreme and the story line is mediocre. All in all though, it's still an all right game and is fun to play. Online play sucks but that's just because online play on any game just simply sucks.

Resistance: Fall of Man is overrated, if only because it's for the PS3, and that's how Sony rolls.

Counter-Strike is overrated, because it's basically just like every other shooter in the world. It takes half a clip to kill a guy at point blank range, when two bullets would do more than well enough.

World of Warcraft is overrated, but if you play it in mediocre amounts, and chose to ignore the other asshole players instead of acknowledge their stupidity, it can be quite fun.

[Cyrus the virus]

Counter-strike takes one bullet if you get a headshot, and the people you're shooting in the chest probably bought armor.

[Winterhair]

MMORPG's in general. They have no plot. None. So I stopped playing them.

And i'll have to go with Santhanlas and say that the FF7 characters were dull, with the exception of Sephiroth. He went ahead and had the right idea. I would have much preffered him as the hero than whiny Cloud, who suffers from random attacks of amnesia while sleeping with Tifa and cheating on Aeris.

[Ther]

And i'll have to go with Santhanlas and say that the FF7 characters were dull, with the exception of Sephiroth. He went ahead and had the right idea. I would have much preffered him as the hero than whiny Cloud, who suffers from random attacks of amnesia while sleeping with Tifa and cheating on Aeris.

Sephiroth is, I think, the most intriguing villain in the Playstation 1 Final Fantasieis. How would you compare him to earlier or later villains in the series, though?

[Winterhair]

I guess I didn't like the other silver haired villains or pretty boy ones because I felt they all just were coming from the line that Sephiroth started. Kuja especially...with the whole, "Oh i'm related to the main hero!" thing that was a predominant theme in 7, 9 felt like it was trying to live up to 7's greatness and legend.

FF8, I never really got into. So I can't say for sure on that one.

[Reiko]

Sephiroth is, I think, the most intriguing villain in the Playstation 1 Final Fantasieis. How would you compare him to earlier or later villains in the series, though?

He's nothing compared to Kefka. Kefka was the best FF Villain, he wasn't super powerful or emo, just an evil person that played dirty and claimed power.

[Slayer of the Rot]

He's nothing compared to Kefka. Kefka was the best FF Villain, he wasn't super powerful or emo, just an evil person that played dirty and claimed power.

I was about to mention Kefka.

[Winterhair]

Oops, I considered Kefka as one of the older ones, and not in the PS1 sections. Now he was a villain. If anyone has read it, he is kinda like Hisoka from "Hunter x Hunter". I'd like to see Sephiroth go up against that bastard, just to watch in morbid fascination as they "accidentally" blow up the world in their catfight.

[BlackAndBlueEyes]

Yes. Kefka. I dare say he's one of the ten best villains in a video game of all time.

I got into an argument with a co-worker today about Kefka vs. Sephiroth... Fockin' n00bs.

[Artifex Felicis]

Kefka was awesome because he did get the damn power and went from nothing.

As for overrated games, I'm going to toss out Ogre BAttle 64 again. Sure you could play the whole game assassin style with one REALLY strong group of archers who only went for the leader, but I'll be damned if it wasn't one of the greatest RPG with tactical elements ever created.

[Cyrus the virus]

Kefka wasn't super powerful? He kind of destroyed the world.

[Doomsday]

Kefka wasn't super powerful? He kind of destroyed the world.

well he did become super powerful when he betrayed the emperor and stole the power of the great Esper Statues and made himself a god. Before he wasn't much of a fighter or anything other than a great backstabber.

[Winterhair]

So yeah, Kefka is stronger that Sephiroth. Sephiroth didn't even suceed in doing what Kefka did, only attempted. But he's okay on his own. In any case, my favorite final fantasy villains are Garland( the original), Sephiroth and Kefka.

[Cyrus the virus]

Why do you like Garland? He's pretty one-dimensional, though the FF1 art is really, really cool.

[Winterhair]

I don't know. I didn't really start liking Garland until recently. I don't like him as much as the other two, but he's pretty cool in his own way.

You should check out Final Fantasy Dissidia, in which it has a Warrior of Light fighting Garland devil may cry style. Also, Zidane versus Trance Kuja, and Warrior of Light (2nd version) versus Sephiroth.

[Cyrus the virus]

I guess that sounds cool if you're not old enough for it to ruin your youth.

[BlackAndBlueEyes]

Final Fantasy pulling a Smash Brothers... That's all I can think of when I hear about Dissidia. That game is going to bomb with a lot of fans if Kefka (edit: let alone anyone from FF6. Edgar with the auto crossbow ftw) isn't in it. And since they probably won't have anyone from Chrono Trigger or the Mana series as unlockables, I'm gonna' go out on a limb and say that it will be overrated.

[Doomsday]

Final Fantasy pulling a Smash Brothers... That's all I can think of when I hear about Dissidia. That game is going to bomb with a lot of fans if Kefka (edit: let alone anyone from FF6. Edgar with the auto crossbow ftw) isn't in it. And since they probably won't have anyone from Chrono Trigger or the Mana series as unlockables, I'm gonna' go out on a limb and say that it will be overrated.
speaking of the devil: Super Smash Brothers. the game's pretty fun but not as great as everyone says it is.

[AsukaStrikes]

If you like beating the crap out of other people or your most hated game character, it's not so bad.

Otherwise, it's just another fighting game.

[Winterhair]

Dissidia isn't so much like Super Smash Brothers as it is like Kingdom Hearts.

Super Smash Bros. is the game for quickies. If you don't really have the time to go through Final Fantasy or unlock every fighter in Tekken, you can pop in SSB and just play and still have a pretty good time. The "features" of the game are for the Nintendo geeks who slaver over the Wii, and will eventually get carpal tunnel and/or break everything that ever mattered.

Edit: This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRO9sUtZGiU) is Dissidia.

[BlackAndBlueEyes]

I reference Smash because there is a smattering of characters from (hopefully) every corner of the FF universe, much like Nintendo threw a bunch of characters from their games together.

And by the tone of your last sentence, I take it you're a Sony fanboy.

[Winterhair]

No, I just dissaprove of the Wii. I like the xbox too, but I'm not much a game player anymore.

[BlackAndBlueEyes]

Out of curiosity, may I ask why you disapprove of the Wii?

"bcuz teh graffix sukk" and having to get off the couch and actually move around are invalid responses.

[Corvus MacCallum]

Dissidia looks like a horrible idea, the cast list is bound to be lacklustre and I'm unable to think of a good solid Squeenix fighting game, inexperiance tends to result in bad results. If Caim from Drakengard appeared showing they were fishing out beyond the FFs it'd be worth more of a brow raising, plus so far it dosen't scream of good playing its just pretty boys with flashy effects.

Another of the big overrateds is the Metal Gear Solid series and its for the reason everyone knows. Just too much watching and listening, they don't pack in enough action apart from very scant scenes, along with a generally broken pace with your sneaking.

They are good games but there isn't enough game to back up all the dialogue, contorted plotting and various other bits you sit and wait on to make them the highest of quality. This dosen't include the PSP titles since I've not touched them and the GBC one was unsuprisingly light on the cut-scenes.

[Winterhair]

I've played the Wii. In my opinion, good concept, but bad execution. The way you have to hold it makes it so your wrist cramps up in seconds. At least, for me. And the games are only mediocre. Its a good system for first person views, but for fighting games, like SSBB and that bleach game, the Wiimote is awkward and not suited for it.

Personally, I'm not going to bother going out to get Dissidia. One, its for the PSP, and I'm not about to buy a PSP for one game. and Two, the fighting may be flashy and the cinematics almost as good as the FF movies, but all in all its just a throwout to "Sony fanboys". If they want to do something like that, they should have made an actual RPG, and gave a real reason all these warriors got together in the first place. Like, a world that crosses the FF dimensions or something.

[Maia]

Final Fantasy Tactics and Disgaea would make the PSP worth it :3

As for Disidia, it may work out, and it may not. I'm not going to hold it until it comes out and I read the reviews. I didn't think Okami would be a good game at first, and same with several others. But then, BAM! I was wrong. Granted, it's a crossover idea that could do exceptionally well or exceptionally bad. I'm curious to see how it finishes.

But that might be the FF9 fanboy in me speaking.

Super Smash Bros is overrated for what it does, but I still enjoy it. I would actually say the the PS3 is the single most overrated thing in the video game industry right now, though that may change if they got more then one or two games for it.

Also, for the Wii. The pain in your wrists comes from not using those muscles too often, or you're just holding it wrong. Something along those lines. Fighting games themselves can be played using the game cube controller, or the other controller for the Wii, so that problem is pretty much taken care of.

Not needing to buy an umpteen number of controllers isn't, but at least all the bases are covered.

[Corvus MacCallum]

One fun thing about Brawl is that the controls are entirely customizable so any bitching about the controls just can't apply, when you can switch through however you like its your own fault if you can't be comfortable.

If you get cramps from holding the Wiimote its very simple, you have to be doing it wrong, its like the people who wound up smashing their TVs and complaining about the product, it wasn't the products fault, they were clearly doing things wrong.

The PS3 is insanely overrated even when people insult it, its also immensely flawed and most developers know this full well since after more than a year/roughly a year on the shelves its managed about three exclusive titles and only two of them have been non-garbage. They also pulled off a quick back-stab in that the games are region free, but they made it so that, like with the PSP games can't be shipped just anywhere, only in the countries they want which entirely kills the point of flaunting your games as region-free.

[Winterhair]

Wii--Since I don't have much experience with it, then I'll take your word for it. Maybe i'm the one getting carpal tunnel...0.o

[Cyrus the virus]

I hate the Wii, mostly for the sheer amount of shit that comes out for it. As is typical with Nintendo, the only things worth talking about are the first-party games.

Sick of Mario, sick of Metroid, sick of Zelda. Ugh.

[Doomsday]

But that might be the FF9 fanboy in me speaking.
I would actually say the the PS3 is the single most overrated thing in the video game industry right now




is it really. most people are skeptical about it. I think the Wii is the most overrated. There's so much hyperbole surrounding it and it's not as revolutionary as people say it is. It's a console built around a peripheral with last gen components. not that it's a bad system, just that people are giving it way more credit than it's due.

[Jobe]

Xbox 360 is where its at. I've had my eye on one ever since they came out, but, possessing loads of lint and a couple dollars here and there, I'll probably have one in my possession by the time the next xbox comes out. =P

[Winterhair]

The Xbox 1080. Ftw...