Okay, just because someone says their a Christian and they go to a Christian church does NOT mean their christian. He could have easily been wanting to be the president which, at this moment, being a Christian is an unofficial law, made by the people of the United States. So, in order for him to become president he could have called himself "Christian" and gone to a Christian church just to get the job.
Mitt Romney says hi.
In other words, if Obama is saying he's Christian and is going to Christian churches (which, btw, he would have stopped doing after becoming President, which he has not, as a google search will show you), alongside with the fact that he's been going to Christian Churches for 20 years (or did you forget Fox News' blowout over his preacher making shocking comments about two years ago), I would be more inclined to believe that Barack Obama is indeed a Christian. Yes, you could easily make that stuff up, but when you have evidence that proves otherwise, well, it's silly to start saying that he made it up, especially when you figure that both Fox News and CNN would be 100% over that in about three seconds flat. Fox News, granted, did accuse him of being a Muslim, but if I remember correctly, CNN never did, and they're pretty down-the-middle as far as politics go. If Obama was making falsified claims, somebody would have exposed them by now.
Or did we forget a certain scandal in the 90s involving one William Clinton?
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I wasn't even ten in the 1990's. I do see your point but Obama is still running for another presidency so he could easily still be faking it. You are right about the fact that the news would be ll over it if he ever was discovered to be lying. Also, I never said that he WAS faking it but instead said he COULD be faking it. Also, some people truly believe they are Christian and follow all the rules of Christianity but on the inside they are not christian. That was the point I was getting at. if you thought I was saying he wasn't christian then I'm sorry about that for earlier I wasn't. Now I shall show you that I do believe he s not Christian. Here is a list of reasons to believe he isn't.Originally Posted by Silence Sei
- In a 2004 interview with Cathleen Falsani, Obama said, “I believe that there are many paths to the same place.” Obama also said, “All people of faith—Christians, Jews, Muslims, animists, everyone knows the same God.”
But Jesus said in John 14:6, “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” Nowhere in the Bible is there a reference to Obama’s “many paths.”- In a recent speech Obama distinguished himself from those who believe in the authority of the Bible. “Now this is going to be difficult for some who believe in the inerrancy of the Bible, as many evangelicals do.” Obama went on to disparage and denigrate the scriptures.
In a very cynical way, Obama twists selective scriptures to advance non-Biblical lifestyles using the golden rule to justify supporting homosexual sodomy.
Obama even invokes the Bible by applying biblical pages to his campaign’s theme of political hope that actually refer to the hope Christians have in Christ. “At this moment, in this election, we must pledge once more to march into the future. Let us keep that promise, that American promise, and in the words of scripture hold firmly, without wavering, to the hope that we confess.”
Obama twists the Bible in an attempt to lend credibility to his agenda, even though he denies the Bible and it’s clear moral teachings. Obama is even derisive of faithful African American pastors who treat the Bible with respect. For Obama, his opinion, not the scripture, is the final authority.- In the sermon on the mount, Jesus affirmed that every “jot and tittle” of the Bible is true, including the parts that condemn homosexuality.In an interview with the homosexual publication, the Advocate, Obama attacked faithful black pastors who faithfully proclaim what the Bible says about homosexuality. “…most African-American churches are still fairly traditional in the interpretations of Scripture. And so from the pulpit or in sermons you still hear homophobic attitudes expressed.”
However, Obama lavished praise on his controversial former pastor and mentor, Jeremiah Wright, for being “very good on gay and lesbian issues.” Obama’s former church, Trinity United Church of Christ voted recently to approve of homosexual marriage.- Appearing before a recent meeting of Planned Parenthood, the largest abortion provider in America, Obama proudly said… “I have consistently had a 100% pro-choice rating with Planned Parenthood and NARAL Pro-Choice America.”
According to Christian beliefs, "Abortion is as an attack on the innocent human life of a baby who is made in the image of God."
Here is a list of verses that talk about the unborn
- 22 “Now suppose two men are fighting, and in the process they accidentally strike a pregnant woman so she gives birth prematurely. If no further injury results, the man who struck the woman must pay the amount of compensation the woman’s husband demands and the judges approve.23 But if there is further injury, the punishment must match the injury: a life for a life,24 an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, a hand for a hand, a foot for a foot,25 a burn for a burn, a wound for a wound, a bruise for a bruise. Ex 21:22-25 (NLT)
- 3 “Give justice to the poor and the orphan; uphold the rights of the oppressed and the destitute. 4 Rescue the poor and helpless; deliver them from the grasp of evil people. Psalms 82:3-4 (NLT)
- 3 Children are a gift from the Lord; they are a reward from him. Psalms 127:3 (NLT)
- 13 You made all the delicate, inner parts of my body and knit me together in my mother’s womb. 14 Thank you for making me so wonderfully complex! Your workmanship is marvelous—how well I know it. 15 You watched me as I was being formed in utter seclusion, as I was woven together in the dark of the womb. 16 You saw me before I was born. Every day of my life was recorded in your book. Every moment was laid out before a single day had passed. Psalms 139:13-16 (NLT)
- 5 “I knew you before I formed you in your mother’s womb. Before you were born I set you apart and appointed you as my prophet to the nations.” Jer 1:5 (NLT)
- In a New York Times interview in 2007, entitled Obama, A man of the World, Obama fondly recalled the Islamic evening call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.” According to the article, “Obama went on to recite its opening lines with a perfect Arabic accent: “Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme! I witness that there is no god but Allah! I witness that there is no god but Allah! I witness that Muhammad is his prophet!” The article said this would “give any one living Alabama a heart attack.”
Christians believe that Jesus Christ is God’s True Prophet, the full and final revelation of God. No true Christian can say the Muslim call to prayer is a “pretty sound” because it is a direct challenge to the truthfulness of Jesus Christ as the Word of God made flesh.
Mohammad denied that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. The Muslim call to prayer affirms that Mohammad is God’s prophet. Jesus said, “For this cause I was born, and for this cause I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice." John 18:37 NKJV- For 20 years Barack Obama was a member of a Trinity United Church of Christ, one of the most radical “Afro-centric” churches in America, lead by Rev. Jeremiah Wright.
Rev. Wright is a self described Black Liberation theologian who, according to Obama, was his spiritual mentor.
Rev. Wright railed against the United States after the attacks of September 11th saying, “Not God bless America, God D*** America!”
Wright preached that 9/11 was God’s “payback” to the United States for “ignoring black concerns.”
Wright even said that HIV/AIDS (HIV / AIDS Victims 2) is a plot, orchestrated by the U.S. government, to kill blacks.
Obama initially defended Wright, but then resigned from the church only after Wright’s radical views became a political liability.
Black Liberation theology is from the 1970s and is based upon Marxism, socialism and class warfare. Although discredited decades ago, it still lives on at Obama’s home church.
According to Black Liberation Theologian, James Cone, racial identity trumps the fact that he is a Christian.
"The fact that I am Black is my ultimate reality… it is impossible for me to surrender this basic reality for a ‘higher, more universal’ reality.”
“Black theology knows no authority more binding than the experience of oppression itself. This alone must be the ultimate authority in religious matters.”
Black liberation theology declares that whites are essentially evil and are to be viewed as the enemy. "Whiteness as revealed in the history of America, is the expression of what is wrong with man. It is a symbol of man’s depravity… the coming of Christ means… destroying the white devil in us… in white racist society, Christian obedience can only mean being obedient to blackness, it’s glorification and exaltation… all white churches (are) anti-Christian in their essence."
The fact is, there is a mixture of good and evil in every person and in every race. All have sinned and fall short of God’s glory. Jesus rejected race based theology.
The Jews and the Samaritans of Christ’s day despised each other and even had rival places of worship, but Jesus said to a Samaritan woman. “The hour is coming and now is when the true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship him.” John 4:23
True worship, according to Jesus, transcends a person’s race.
By creation, all mankind share one blood. In redemption, all who believe, from any race, are saved by Christ. In heaven there will people of every tongue, tribe, people and nation in heaven who have been saved by God’s grace in Jesus Christ.- By Obama’s own account of his essential elements of true biblical conversion are lacking, namely, conviction of sin, repentance and faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior of the world. When asked if he believed in sin, Obama said “Yes.” But when asked to define it, Obama said sin is, “Being out of alignment with my values.”
Obama said he feels most aligned spiritually “when I’m being true to myself.”
According to the Bible, when man sins, he sins against a Holy God in the violation of God’s holy law.
Sin is not based on any man’s standards. Righteousness is obedience to God and his word.
Obama is offended by the notion that all people need Christ in order to be saved.
“The difficult thing about… Christianity, is that at some level there is a call to evangelize... There’s the belief, certainly in some quarters, that people haven’t embraced Jesus Christ as their personal savior that they're going to hell.” So, if Jesus is not a Savior who rescues from hell, then who is Jesus to Obama?
“Jesus is an historical figure for me, and he’s also a bridge between God and man, in the Christian faith, and one that I think is powerful precisely because he serves as that means of us reaching something higher.”
This is not the testimony of a true Christian.
For Obama, Jesus is merely a historical figure not the risen and living Lord. For Obama, Jesus is merely “a” bridge in the “Christian faith,” not the only bridge for all mankind. For Obama, Jesus is a means to some vague “higher” thing.
To the Christian, knowing and experiencing Christ is the highest attainment of the Christian life.
Obama venerates doubt, which is contrary to the assurance of eternal salvation and truth which Christ gives his people. Asked if he was “born again,” Obama answered, “Yeah … [but] I retain… a suspicion of dogma… I think that religion at it's best comes with a big dose of doubt… I don’t presume to have knowledge of what happens after I die.”
Asked to describe the day he was converted Obama denies that there was any kind of supernatural enlightenment or an epiphany or a specific moment when he finally “got it.” “I think it was just a moment to certify or publicly affirm a growing faith in me.”
Obama’s testimony does not have the marks of a bona fide biblical conversion.
Jesus gives his assurance that “He who believes on me has everlasting life,” and “I go to prepare a place for you!”
When asked where he finds inspiration, Obama does not mention a relationship with Christ. He does mentions a lot of things church, but not Jesus.
When asked who was his role model he mentions Gandi. “Gandhi is a great example of a profoundly spiritual man who acted and risked everything on behalf of those values but never slipped into intolerance or dogma. He seemed to always maintain an air of doubt about him.” No mention of Christ.
Without the public admission that you are lost in sin and that you have turned from your sin and put your faith in Christ and his shed blood as the only remedy for sin, you are not truly converted.
With all these facts against him how can anyone say he is a christian?
P.S. I am Neutral about Obamacare but not Religion.
I believe that anybody can believe what they want but they shall not force it on another. They can speak their opinion on the subject but once you start trying to force someone to change you have crossed the line. I am a Christian and I know the true Christian walk. What I see in Obama is not Christianity but Fake-Christianity. You can maul this over then respond if you like. it won't change me but at least others will have a chance to choose for themselves
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