^ I see your point, but that would perpetuate this even further. The world is changing and separate is never equal.
^ I see your point, but that would perpetuate this even further. The world is changing and separate is never equal.
There will be blood.
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Not quite sure how being gay can be wrong. At the end of the day it's not exactly a choice. However I guess it is your opinion and you are entitled to it as much as anyone.Originally Posted by hoytti
The law will likely force churches to implement the ceremony. Ironic, really, that the law wishes to recognise equality of beliefs and criminalises those whose own beliefs go against those very principles it is trying to uphold.
In the UK, its been quite a devisive issue. The church seems to be warming to the idea, though. Probably because they realise they can no longer stem the tide.
My own opinion is very clear: I simply don't care if you are gay or not. As long as you are a good person that's all that matters.
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If a Christian church decides they don't want to host a gay marriage then they should not be forced to do it. As everyone knows the Christians are against homosexuality, so don't force them to do something they are against. Yes, everyone will hate them for saying no, it will become big news and crap, but it's their choice. Ya don't like that they say no, go somewhere else that will say yes.
EDIT: just my opinion, I you don't like it then please don't attack me. Also, I am not trying to change your mind, don't try to change mine, it won't change. Thank you.
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The only thing better than marriage equality would be dissolving the antiquated, meaningless legal ceremony altogether.
Nobody can put a price or condition on love. Not God, nor god, nor science divided.
My Church begs to differ. £850 to get married before the bellringers even turn up!
Done up like a kipper.
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The Marriage Ceremony is a human thing. God only said that a man shall join with a woman and they shall become one.
Genesis 2:23–24
23 Then the man said,
“This at last is bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called Woman,
because she was taken out of Man.”
24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.
He never actually mentions a ceremony that has to be followed.
He also didn't make any mention of a rabbit delivering chocolate eggs in the night, but Hallmark got that one nailed.
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"When we were young, was this the dream we had? We're celebrating nothing. We need to find our way back."
you're right. And there is no mention of Jesus's birthdate either. Many things that happen in society happen due to humans wanting it to happen.
There are only a handful of instances in which homosexual practices are mentioned in the bible, as I recall.
The listing of the laws of the Jewish people, to which non-Jews are not held subject, and which only says that a man shall not lay with a man, but also says that a married couple may do as they wish with each other and that sex is for enjoyment first, not procreation (it says nothing of lesbian relationships, except that a woman is not to be touched while she is menstruating). The laws of the Jewish people, as well, are largely for the purposes of ritual purity, as the Chosen people, and as such are required to give up quite a few things, and more if they are of Kohenite or Levite lines.
The listing of the Seven Noahide Laws, to which all non-Jew followers of God are held subject, forbids homosexual relations, but within the context of the time it was specific to the Greek practices of requiring apprentices to lay with their masters, and also the Babylonian and other regional religions' practices of altar boys (children) as sacred prostitutes. I think we can all agree that these practices were wrong on the deepest level, and so could the founders of Noahide Abrahamic religion (from which Christianity and Islam descend).
And the particular practices of the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, from which the term sodomy derives. But sodomy, even from its original usage, implies specifically rape, and so forbidding it is more about protecting bodily autonomy than it is about forbidding a particular type of relationship. As well, those cities were punished for repeatedly and flagrantly disobeying the Seven Noahide Laws, even after being warned by the representatives of the Israelites.
And on another note, churches, priests, ministers, reverends, et al have always been allowed to refuse to marry a couple for any number of reasons, from not being members of their church to not considering them to be appropriately devoted to each other. This reason will be viewed, in the eyes of the law, as no different, I suspect. BUT, contrary to the sentiments expressed by hoytti and black_shadow previously in this thread, there are any number of Christian churches who are open to same-sex relationships and marriages, and most states don't even require a religious officiant for marriages. LGBTQ accepting churches may be more difficult to find in some places than in others, however.
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Paul was condemning a concept that had no name for it other than Homosexuality. When he wrote the letters to the Roman's and Corinthians he was condemning the practice of Roman soldiers taking young boys as apprentices. They would often sexually abuse the boys and that was what Paul condemned. The concept of Pedophilia wasn't mainstream for a few centuries later.
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