EU Referendum

[jdd2035]

The thing is the business cycle will continue, the nations that can not adapt to this change will naturally go into an economic decline and those that can adapt will prosper but decline or prosperity the business cycle will continue.

[Shinsou Vaan Osiris]

I feel like the relationship between Britain and the EU has been strained since the 1990's anyway. They never adopted the Euro, maintained independent trade agreements with the U.S. and others, and had stricter immigration laws than the mainland members (rejected the Schengen Agreement). I'm actually surprised you, Gnarl and Shin are surprised Britain voted to leave, Philomel.

The strained relationship wasn't quite as strained as everyone was led to believe. The pro-EU attitudes were very much a product of our generation. On the economic side, every single respected economist and financial institution of note warned us of what would happen if we left. I, for one, was quite happy with Europe but instead some racist 55 year old from Barnsley voting to "keep the muslims out" (his words, for those who have me on Facebook check my wall) spoke for me and for our kids.

What pisses me off are that some of the people who led us down this path now say they regret this decision (which is irreversable by principle).

[Ruby]

“It’s a funny old world.”

Ruby’s flippant expressionism bounced around the greenhouse like a thunderbolt.

Leopold, knee deep in compost, looked up. Surprised to find his wife out of bed before 7am, he met her gaze with a warm, but confused smile.

“Oh. Hello dearest. Yes. Rather is.” He straightened his back with a click, rested a boot on the blade of his shovel, and tried to make himself presentable.

The merchant found solace in his garden. In it, he felt at peace. In it, he felt uncontested. Ruby discovered early in their marriage that it was not a place she was welcome, lest the status quo between them crack, crumble, and crash.

“I know, I know. I said I would not bother you here unless somebody was dying.”

Leopold narrowed his gaze, shrew like and full of sudden contempt. Her flippant nature always lead him into a false sense of security. That sense blew wide open when the earth swallowed him up, called to duty to some world-breaking event or another.

“Am I going to need a drink?”

Ruby nodded. “Oh. Indubitably.”

Trudging over his flowerbed, featuring roses from the four corners, Leopold approached his other (questionably better of late), half. They exchanged a brief hug, which caused her nose to wrinkle at the smell of soil and sweat, and then walked side by side into the mansion’s ample kitchen.

“Who is it?”

The temperature dropped as they entered the house, for which the spell singer was grateful.

“Nationhood.”

[Fez_The_Kid]

You guys should take a look at this, if you haven't already:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...g-to-leave-it/

[jdd2035]

Well, you can do one of two things. One: you can work to help the UK and make the pound strong again, or two: you can do nothing and let your country fall.

[Christoph]

Well, you can do one of two things. One: you can work to help the UK and make the pound strong again, or two: you can do nothing and let your country fall.

Or three: Call those who disagree with you racists.

[Warpath]

By the numbers: http://www.vox.com/2016/6/25/1202978...ion-xenophobia

I don't actually believe it will happen unless the EU forces it to. The amount of politics that need to get done to legally complete the move are astounding, in a time when the western world is more divided than ever across party lines. Nothing will get done, someone will find some excuse to keep Britain in the EU despite the vote.

[Shinsou Vaan Osiris]

By the numbers: http://www.vox.com/2016/6/25/1202978...ion-xenophobia

I don't actually believe it will happen unless the EU forces it to. The amount of politics that need to get done to legally complete the move are astounding, in a time when the western world is more divided than ever across party lines. Nothing will get done, someone will find some excuse to keep Britain in the EU despite the vote.

As soon as Article 50 of the treaty is invoked, that's it. The EU cannot legally do anything about Britain's EU membership until our Prime Minister sorts that out. Until Article 50 is triggered, we're in. No ifs, no buts.

Technically, there could still be a number of outcomes. The referendum is essentially just an opinion poll. MP's still have to vote on the referendum to pass it, and it will be down to them to make a decision on whether or not we leave. On one hand, if they block the result then democracy is dead. On the other, it may just be the best thing for the country. I am in the unenvious position of being for democracy and against us leaving the EU, but to me the upholding of the people's will is paramount.

We have to decide on a new Prime Minister in October. Nothing will happen until then as no-one has any authority to do so.

[Shinsou Vaan Osiris]

Or three: Call those who disagree with you racists.

Racists? No.

Irresponsible? Yes, according to every notable financial institution and reputable economist.

Do you know that 67% of those who voted leave were between 55 and 65? That means that our future, and my kid's future, are being decided by a generation of people who won't be around long enough to witness the consequences of their vote?

Does anyone here believe that is fair, when the margins for out vs in were 52% to 48%?

You'll of course say "yes, because it's a democracy" but if we had that vote 5 or 10 years later we'd still be in the EU.

Also, though I do believe that most leavers voting because of immigration have jumped on the easiest issue (despite completely ignoring the actual figures and facts publicly available) and aren't all racists, I have to point out I myself have seen extremely racist elements in the Leave campaign. One of them is a client of mine who joked about building a KKK snowman on his front lawn out of boredom. Another is a 55 year old from Barnsley who thinks that we should "stop all the muslims coming in" (despite the fact that most immigration problems in the UK stem from immigration outside the EU).

I'm a fair man, and on balance I believe that of all the people I know who voted out, about half were due to some form of immigration issue. That doesn't mean that all Leave voters are racist, but they at the least seriously misunderstand the immigration figures and how much actual migration happens from Europe.

Boy, i'm glad that these people spoke for me.

Regardless, if there is any democracy, they'll invoke Article 50 and get it done.

[Shinsou Vaan Osiris]

Just in case no-one noticed, I feel very strongly about this. I tend to keep politically quiet but I am consumed by a molten, white hot rage about the result of the referendum so it's probably best I don't contribute to this thread anymore.

Oh. By the way, you all need to see this:

Yes, this happened.